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Sharing my library. It's a mixed bag, from some truly atrocious quality to some hi-res titles. I don't have a huge online storage as I'll just be using the free Mega account (It just went down to 15GB from 50GB). Please comment on any specific titles you'd like me to upload and I'll reply with the link once uploaded.

-If there's no quality specified in [], then it's 16/44.1
-Sample rate is only listed when it's higher than 44.1/48
-[16 or 24] is 16-bit or 24-bit
-[When this # is 3 digits] Indicates MP3 and the number is kbps
-[96] MP3 at 96kbps, stay away from these. I told you it's a mixed bag lol

2 Chainz - Based on a T.R.U. Story
2 Pac - 2Pacalypse Now, Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ, Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, Americaz Most Wanted
8 Mile Original Soundtrack
8Ball - Lost
21 Savage - Slaughter King [320], Savage Mode, Savage Mode II [24]
50 Cent - Get Rich or Die Tryin', The Massacre
112 - 112, Room 112
A Boogie wit da Hoodie - The Bigger Artist [256], Artist 2.0 [24]
A Great Big World - Is There Anybody Out There? [320]
A$AP Ferg - Furious Ferg
A$AP Rocky - Live.Love. ASAP, Long. Live. ASAP
Aaryan Shah - In the Making, The Arrival: Part II [24]
Ace Hood [320] - Studio Album: Gutta, Ruthless, Blood Sweat and Tears, Trials & Tribulations
Mixtape: Ace Won't Fold, All Bets on Ace, Final Warning, Street Certified, The Preview, I Do It.. For the Sport, The Statement, Body Bag Vol.1, Sex Chronicles, The Statement 2, Body Bag Vol.2, Starvation, Starvation II

.hack_Sign OST 1+2 [320]
Castlevania - Akumajo Dracula Best Music Collections Box
Curse of Darkness - Prelude of Revenge
Harmony of Despair
Lament of Innocence
Lament of Innocence Limited Edition Music Sampler
Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate
Symphony of the Night
Death Note OST 1+2+3 [320]
Detective Conan OST 3
Final Fantasy Symphonic Suite
Final Fantasy VII OST
Final Fantasy VII Reunion Tracks
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy X
Gensomaden Saiyuki - OST, Single Collection
Guilty Gear X - Heavy Rock Tracks, Rising Force of Gear Image Vocal Tracks
Guilty Gear XX OST
Guilty Gear XX - Sound Alive/A.S.H.
Hikaru no Go - Theme Song Selection
Howl's Moving Castle - OST, Symphony Suite [320]
Hunter x Hunter - OST 1+2+3, The Last Mission
Joe Hisaishi - Dream Songs/The Essential Joe Hisaishi
Legend of Mana [320]
My-HiME - OST 1+2
Neon Genesis Evangelion - Single Collection
Noir - OST 1+2+3
Ragnarok Online Complete Soundtrack
Rurouni Kenshin - OST 1 [320], OST 2+3+4, CD BOX [320], Director's Collection, Premium Collection, Songs, The Best Theme Collection
Shaman King - Comics Image Album, Melody of the Spirits, Osorezan Revoir ~au revoir~, Osorezan Revoir ~prologue to shaman~, Single Vocal Album, Vocal on Parade!!
Slayers TRY Treasure BGM
Spirited Away [320]
The Legend of Zelda - Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time
Tsubasa Chronicle - OST 1+2+3+4
Yu-Gi-Oh! Theme Song Single Collection
Z.O.E. - Zone of the Enders, Anubis: Zone of the Enders
Zenki - Character Song Collection 2, OST 2 Raigou Shourin!!
軒轅劍三外傳:天之痕 - 三個人的時光
風色幻想 - 1+SP+2+3+4+5

Adam Ben Ezra - Discography
Adam Lambert - Trespassing
Adam Lopez - The Popera, Showstopper, Till the End of Time
Adele - 21
Afek-T - Les brumes
Agnes Obel - Philharmonics, Aventine, Citizen of Glass [24], Myopia [24]
Akon - Trouble
Alabama Shakes - Boys & Girls [320], Sound & Color [192~320]
Alejandro Fernández - de noche - clasicos a mi manera, Confidencias [320]
Alicia Keys - Songs in A Minor
Aloe Blacc - Shine Through, Good Things, Lift Your Spirit
Amber Run - 5am [320], For a Moment I Was Lost [320]
Amy Winehouse - Frank [160~320], Back to Black [196~246], Lioness: Hidden Treasures [320]
Andrea Bocelli - Romanza, Verdi
Angra - Discography (1992 - 2010)[160~231]
Anita Baker - Rhythm of Love
Anthony Ramos - The Freedom EP, The Good & The Bad
Ariana Grande - My Everything [24], Dangerous Woman [24], Sweetener [320], Thank U, Next [24]
Arvo Part - Various works
Aurora - Discography (2015-2019)[24, except Infections of a Different Kind which is in 320]
AZ - Do or Die
Az Yet - Az Yet [320]
Babyface - The Day
Bad Meets Evil - Hell: The Sequel
Ballet Class Music [320]
Banks - Discography (2014-2019)[16~24]
Basso Profondo from Old Russia
Belly [320] - Another Day in Paradise, Inzombia, Mumble Rap
Beyoncé - 4, Beyoncé, Lemonade
Bilal - 1st Born Second
Bill Evans Trio [320] - Explorations, Sunday at the Village Vanguard, Waltz for Debby
Bill Withers - Lovely Day: The Very Best of Bill Withers
Billie Eilish - Discography
Birdy - Discography [320]
Bishop Briggs - EP [320], Church of Scars, Champions [24]
Black Hill - Discography (2014-2019)[16~24]
Stvannyr - Secrets of the runes 
Black Panther - Original Score [24], The Album [24], Wakanda Remixed [16]
Blindspotting - The Collins EP [320], The Miles EP [320]
Bloom - Sinses [320]
Blue - All Rise
Bob Marley & The Wailers - Legend
Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Creepin on ah Come Up EP
Brent Faiyaz - A.M. Paradox EP, Sonder Son, Lost EP, Fuck the World
Bruno Mars - Discography (2010-2016)
Busta Rhymes - The Coming
Call Me By Your Name OST
Camila Cabello - Romance
Cardi B - Gangsta Bitch Music Vol.1 [128], UnderEstimated - The Tour Album [128], GBMV2 [128], Invasion of Privacy
Carolina Eyck [320] - Theremin, Waves
Case - Open Letter
Céline Dion - All the Way.. A Decade of Song, Courage
Charlotte Cardin - Big Boy EP, Main Girl EP
Charlotte Cardinale - Florescentia
Chase Holfelder - Major to Minor (Vol. 1)
Chet Faker - Thinking in Textures, Built on Glass [320], Lockjaw
Childish Gambino - Camp, Because the Internet, 3.15.20
Chingy - Jackpot
Chloe x Halle [24] - Sugar Symphony EP, The Kids Are Alright, Ungodly Hour
Choral: Aliqua, Chor Leoni Men's Choir Discography, Christmas with The Princeton Singers, The Manitou Singers - Repertoire for Women's Voices, Vol. 2
Christina Aguilera - Christina Aguilera [320], Stripped, Back to Basics, Bionic, Lotus [320], Liberation [24]
Cirque du Soleil - Discography (1992-2015)[128~320, 3 albums in 16]
Clann - Kin Fables, Seelie

100 Great Symphonies
Bach - Selected Organ Works, The Famous Cantatas, The Six Motets
Beethoven - Complete String Quartets, Piano Sonata No.8 op.13 'Pathetique', Piano Sonata No.14 op.27 'Moonlight', Piano Sonata No.23 op.57 'Appassionata'
Brahms - Brahms on Life and Love, Requiem, Symphony No.1
Bruckner - Te Deum
Chopin Complete Piano Music [192]
Dvořák - Mass in D, Requiem, Symphony No.7+8+9
Fauré - Requiem
Glazunov - Violin Concerto in Am op.82
Grieg - Piano Concerto op.16 in Am
Liszt - 10 Hungarian Rhapsodies, Piano Works
Mendelssohn - Symphony No.4, Violin Concerto in Em
Mozart - Clarinet Concerto in A, Concerto in C for Flute, Harp, Orchestra, Horn Concerto No.4, Piano Concerto No.20, Piano Concerto No.21, Requiem
Paganini - Salvatore Accardo plays Paganini's Guarneri del Gesu 1742
Schubert - Piano Sonata No.14+19
Schumann - Piano Concerto op.54 in Am
Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No.1, Romeo and Juliet Fantasy Overture, The Symphonies [192]
Verdi - Requiem
Vivaldi - Concerto in C for Violin and Double Orchestra, Concerto in D for Violin and Double Orchestra, The Four Seasons

clipping - CLPPNG [24], There Existed an Addiction to Blood
Coco OST
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise
Corey Payette - Children of God, Les Filles du Roi
Craig David - Born to Do It
Curtis Clearsky and the Constellationz - Indigifunk
D12 - Devil's Night, D12 World
Daley - Those Who Wait [192], Days & Night [320], The Spectrum [320]
D'Angelo - Brown Suger, Black Messiah [24/96]
Darren Hayes - Spin
Daveed Diggs - Small THings to a Giant, Seven Nights in Chicago [320]
David Morin - Every Colour
Deen Squad Mixtape 2015 [320]
Destino - Forte, Beginning Again
Destiny's Child - Destiny's Child, #1s
Disclosure - Caracal
DJ Danger Mouse - The Grey Album
DJ Drama - Quality Street Music 2
Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No.1+2+3+4+5+6+8+9+12+14+15, Violin Concerto No.1
DMX - It's Dark and Hell is Hot, Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood, ...And Then There Was X
Dr. Dre - 2001, Compton
Drake - So Far Gone [320], Thank Me Later [320], Take Care [320], Nothing Was the Same [320], If You're Reading This It's Too Late
Dream Theater - Discography (1989-2019)[16~24/96]
Dream Warriors - Subliminal Simulation
Dru Hill - Dru Hill, Enter the Dru
Dumbfoundead - We Might Die [320], Inside/Outside [24]
Dylan Brady - All I Every Wanted, Choker [128], Dog Show [128]
Eagles - Hotel California
Eazy-E - It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa, Eternal E
Elijah Blake - Bijoux 22 [128], Drift [253~276], Shadows & Diamonds [320], Blueberry Vapors [320]
Eminem - The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, Encore
En Vogue - Funky Divas
ES Posthumus - Unearthed [320]
Evanescence - Discography (2003-2017)[16~24]
Fantastic Negrito [320] - The Last Days of Oakland, Please Don't Be Dead
Far East Movement - Free Wired
FKA Twigs - LP1, Magdalene
Flipsyde - Discography (2005-2012)[128~320]
Florence + the Machine - Discography (2009-2018)[16~24/96]
Flume - Skin [24]
For vance - From Muscle Shoals [24]
Frank Ocean - Discography (2011-2016)[16~24]
Frank Sinatra - Ultimate Sinatra
Frozen OST
Fugees - The Score
Future - Beast Mode [24], Future [24/96]
Gallant - Zebra [320]
Game of Thrones - S1-8 OST, Various Orchestra Albums, For the Throne
Ghost - Meliora [24]
Ginuwine - Ginuwine... The Bachelor, 100% Ginuwine
Gorillaz - Gorillaz [24], Demon Days [24], Plastic Beach [24], Humanz [24/96]
Grace VanderWaal [24] - Perfectly Imperfect, Just the Beginning
Guru - Jazzmatazz Vol. 1
GZA - Liquid Swords
Hamilton: An Americal Musical - Cast Recording, Hamildrops, Instrumentals, The Hamilton Mixtape
Hans Zimmer - The Dark Knight [24/96], Inception [24][5.1], The Dark Knight Rises [24], Intersteller [24], The Classics [24/96]
Harry Potter OST
Hercules [192]
Higher Brothers - Black Cab, Five Stars
Hozier - Discography (2013-2019)[16~24]
Igorrr - Hallelujah [320]
Il Divo - Discography (2004-2018, except A Musical Affair)(320~16]
In tha Beginning... There Was Rap
Ingrid Michaelson - Discography (2005-2014)
J.S. Ondara - Tales of America (The Second Coming) [24/192], Folk n' Roll Vol.1: Tales of Isolation [24]
Jacques Loussier Trio - Vivaldi- The Four Seasons
James Blake - Discography (2011-2019)
James Vincent McMorrow [320] - Early in the Morning, Post Tropical
Janelle Monáe - Discography (2010-2018)[16~24], Metropolis: Suite I (The Chase) EP
Janne - Meeting the Wolf EP
Jay-Z - Discography (1996-2017)[16~24]
Jeremy Dutcher - Wolastoqiyik Lintuwakonawa [320]
Jessie Ware - What's Your Pleasure? [24]
Jhené Aiko - Chilombo [24/96]
Jimi Hendrix - Experience Hendrix- The Best of Jimi Hendrix
JMSN [320] - Priscilla, Pllajë, JMSN
Joe - All That I Am, My Name is Joe
John Coltrane - Both Directions at Once/The Lost Album
John Legend - Discography (2005-2016)[320~16]
Jon Mcxro - The Fifth of Never [287~310]
José Tomás Molina - Discography (2014-2019)[16~24]
Josh Groban - Discography (2001-2015)[320, except Stages in 16]
Joss Stone - Introducing... Joss Stone
Juice OST
Justin Timberlake - Discography (2002-2013)[16~24]
k.d. lang - Ingénue, Invincible Summer
Kadebostany - Pop Collection
Kanye West - Discography (2003-2019)[320-24]
Kendrick Lamar - Discography (2011-2017)
Kerry Muzzey - Trailer Music 3, The Architect, Trailer Music 4: Neo
Kid Cudi - Discography (2008-2013)
Kiel Magis - Kiel Magis
Kieran Fearing - Reprieve
Kieran Martin Murphy - The Painter's Hand, Theatrics

DJ Doc - 4th Album
eAeon - Guilt-Free
H.O.T. - We hate all kinds of violence, I yah!, Age of Peace OST, Outside Castle, The Best
Rain - First Drop
Shinhwa - First Mythology, My Choice, Wedding

k-os - Exit, Joyful Rebellion, Atlantis: Hymns for Disco
Krizz Kaliko - Son of Same [239~270], Go [320]
Kwabs [157~246] - Wrong or Right, Pray for Love, Walk
La La Land - The Complete Musical Experience [24]
La Quinta Estación - Sin Frenos [192]
Ladysmith Black Mambazo [192~257] - The Very Best of
Lana Del Rey - Discography (2012-2019)[16~24]
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Le Flow - The Definitive French Hip Hop Compilation
Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares - Vol.1+2 [320]
Le mystère des voix Corses - les plus belles polyphonies [320]
Led Zeppelin - Discography (1969-1982), Remasters [24/96]
Lenny Kravitz - Greatest Hits
Leonard Cohen - The Future
Les Musiciens de Saint-Julien - The High Road to Kilkenny
Leslie Odom Jr. - Leslie Odom Jr. [24], Mr.
Lhasa de Sela - La Llorona [320]
Lil Dicky - Hump Days [256], So Hard [320], Professional Rapper [128]
Lil Uzi Vert - Eternal Atake
Linkin Park - Discography (2000-2017)[16~24/96]
Lionel Richie - Back to Front
Loïc Nottet - Selfocracy [320]
London Grammar - If You Wait [24/96], This is a Beautiful Thing [24]
LP - Lost on You [320]
Ludacris - Chicken-Beer, Release Therapy
Ludovico Einaudi - Echoes: The Einaudi Collection, Divenire [320], Nightbook, Islands: Essential Einaudi [320], Elements [320], Seven Days Walking [24]
Luniz - Operation Stackola
Mac Miller - Circles [24]
Madredeus - Various albums (1987-2005)[128~320]
MAGIC! - Don't Kill the Magic [320]
Maksim - Discography (1999-2010)[320, except 2 albums in 16]

5566 - 1st Album
Energy - E3, 無懈可擊, 米迦勒之舞
F4 - 煙火的季節
IPIS 蟑螂 - 第四蟑
RuRu - 美麗心情
S.H.E. - 青春株式會社, 美麗新世界, Together
不能說的秘密 OST [148~224]
伍佰 - 夢的河流, 冬之火 九重天演唱會特選錄音專輯
伍思凱 - 分享
南拳媽媽 - 南拳媽媽的夏天
周杰倫 - Discography (2000-2004)[16 except 同名專輯 in 320]
宋岳庭 - Life's a Struggle
張信哲 - 精選, 從開始到現在
張學友 - 走過1999, 張學友音樂之旅Live演唱會
張智成 - 凌晨三點鐘
張衛健 - 齊天大聖孫悟空
徐婕兒 - 愛之初
戴佩妮 - 怎樣
林俊傑 - 樂行者, 第二天堂
海豚灣戀人 OST
王心凌 - Begin...
臥虎藏龍 (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) OST
范逸臣 - 同名專輯
蔡依林 - 看我72變, 城堡
薔薇之戀 OST
許慧欣 - 孤單芭蕾, 幸福
謝霆鋒 - VIVA, 了解, Viva Live 謝霆鋒演唱會
郭富城 - 目眩城迷 全精選
陳冠希 - Edison Chen
陳小春 - 抱一抱, That's Mine

Mandido - Time on Our Hands
Marc Anthony - Discography (1993-2013)[320]
Marian Hill - Act One [24], Unusual
Mario Frangoulis - Various Albums (1998-2014)[128~320]
Marques Houston - MH
Mase - Harlem World
Master P - Ghetto D
Max Richter - Discography (2002-2020)[16~24/96]
MC 900 ft. Jesus - Welcome to My Dream, Open Step Ahead of the Spider
Meek Mill - Dreams Worth More Than Money [24], Championships
Metallica - Discography (Remastered)(1983-2020)[24]
Metro Boomin - Not All Heroes Wear Capes [320]
Miah Luz - The Coming LP
Michael Bolton - Only a Woman Like You [320]
Michael Bublé - Discography (1995-2013)[96~320]
Michael Conway Baker - Four Musical Portraits
Michael Jackson - Discography (1972-2014)[320 except Invincible in 16]
Migos - Discography (2015-2018)[209~24]
Miguel - Discography (2010-2017)[16~24]
Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool [24/192], Bitches Brew [24/88], Kind of Blue
Mirah - Discography (1997-2009)[198~256]
Misha Mishenko - Discography (2016-2019)
Missy Elliott - Under Construction
Moana OST
Mobb Deep - The Infamous
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides, The Ecstatic
Moulin Rouge! OST
Muddy Waters - Anthology
Muse - Origin of Symmetry [24/96], Absolution [24/96], The 2nd Law [24/96], Simulation Theory, Drones [24/96]
Musical Theatre - Various Musical Cast Recordings (1934-2017)[170~202, except Come From Away and Hamilton in 16]
Nahko - Dark as Night, On the Verge, Hoka [320], My Name is Bear [320]
Namie Amuro - Break the Rules, Genius 2000
Nas - Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic, God's Son, The Lost Tapes, Street's Disciple, Life is Good
Naturally 7 - Discography (2000-2015)
Naughty by Nature - 19 Naughty III
Nav - Good Intentions [24]
Ne-Yo - Discography (2006-2012)[320~16]
Night Lovell - Discography (2014-2019)[320]
Nina Simone - The Essential of Nina Simone [24/96]
Nipsey Hussle - Crenshaw, Victory Lap
Niykee Heaton - Bad Intentions, The Bedroom Tour Playlist
Norah Jones - Come Away with Me, Feels Like Home, Not Too Late, Pick Me Up Off the Floor [24/96]
Notre-Dame de Paris (Musical) Cast Recording
Obie Trice - Cheers
October London - Discography (2016-2018)[320]
Omar LinX - A Cold Welcome [320], City of Ommz [320], The Living Dead EP [128], Victor [320], M.O.R [320]
Omarion - O, 21, Ollusion
Once OST [96]
Onegin (Musical)
Opera Babes - Beyond Imagination
P. Diddy - No Way Out, The Saga Continues...
PartyNextDoor - PX3
Pentatonix - Various albums [128~320]
Peter Gundry - Discography (2016-2019)[16~24]
Pharrell - Girl [24]
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon [24/88][DSD64], Pulse
Playboi Carti - Die Lit
PNL - Deux frères [320]
Portishead - Discography (1994-2008)
Post Malone - Discography (2016-2019)[16~24/88]
Prince - Discography (1978-2019)
Pusha T - Daytona [24]
Putomayo - World Reggae, Asian Lounge
Quavo - Quavo Huncho [320]
Queen - Greatest Hits
Rae Sremmurd [320] - SremmLife, SremmLife 2
Raincity - Tell Me, Stuck on Replay, Raincity EP
Raleigh Ritchie - You're a Man Now, Boy [320]
Rick Ross - Discography (2006-2017)
Ricky Martin - Ricky Martin, Música + Alma + Sexo [192]
Rihanna - Anti
Rockapella - 2
Roscoe Dash - J.U.I.C.E. [320], Dash Effect [160]
ROSK - remnants
Ruelle - Up in Flames, Madness, Emerge
Run the Jewels - Run the Jewels 2, RTJ3 Instrumentals [24/96]
Sade - The Best of Sade
Sam Cooke - Portrait of a Legend 1951-1964 [123~252]
Sam Smith - Discography (2014-2017)
Sandra van Nieuwland [320] - And More, Banging on the Doors of Love
Santino Le Saint - Cloud 304, Xeno, Blue Pill [24], Rage of Angels
Sara Bareilles - Discography (2007-2015)[320, except What's Inside - Songs from Waitess in 24]
Scorpions - Discography (1972-2015)
Scott Leonard - 1man1mike
Sevdaliza - Discography (2017-2020)
Shai - If I Ever Fall in Love [128]
Sia - Discography (1997-2017)[16, except OnlySee + Healing is Difficult in M4A260, This is Acting in 24/96]
Sigur Rós - Discography (1997-2013)
Snoop Dogg - The Doggfather, Tha Last Meal, R&G (Rhythm&Gangsta): The Masterpiece, The Blue Carpet Treatment
Solange - A Seat at the Table
Southern Journey - Bad Man Ballads (Songs of Outlaws and Desperadoes, Vol. 5)
Stacey [128] - Stacey, Stacey (Reconstruction), First Move
Stevie Wonder - The Definitive Collection
Stromae - Cheese [256], Racine carrée [24]
Sun Kil Moon - Discography (2003-2017)[320, except Benji + Common as Light and Love Are Red Valleys of Blood in 16]
Swollen Members - Bad Dreams
SWV - It's About Time
System of a Down - Toxicity
SZA - Ctrl
T.I. - Trouble Man Heavy is the Head
Tamia - Tamia
Taylor Swift - folklore [24]
Tech N9ne - Discography (1999-2013)[192~320], The Storm, Enterfear
TGT - Three Kings
The Beatles - Discography (1963-2009)
The Carters - Everything is Love
The Chorus OST
The Chronicles of Narnia OST
The Cinematic Orchestra [320] - Every Day, Man with a Movie Camera, Ma Fleur, To Believe
The Game - The Documentary, Jesus Piece [320], Blood Moon: Year of the Wolf [320], The Documentary 2+2.5 [320]
The Godfather I+II+III OST [320]
The Great Gatsby OST
The Great Tenors - Vol.1+2, In Concert
The Lion King - Complete Score [128], Return to Pride Rock [128]
The Lord of the Rings OST [24]
The Lumineers - Cleopatra [24/96], C-Sides [24], Live Tracks [24], III [24]
The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die, Life After Death, Born Again
The Nutcracker (Ballet) [24/96]
The Pink Panther OST [320]
The Savannah Leigh Band - City of Grey
The Tango Project - The Tango Project
The Tenors - Discography (2008-2015)[156~254, except Under One Sky in 16]
The Tony Rich Project - Words
The Weeknd - Discography (2012-2020)[16~24/192]
The xx - Discography (2009-2017)[320, except I See You in 16]
Three 6 Mafia - Most Known Unknown
Timbaland - Shock Value
Tinie Tempah - Demonstration [320]
Toni Braxton - Toni Braxton, Secrets
Tony Bennett - The Essential Tony Bennett, a wonderful world (with k.d. lang), The Absolutely Essential 3 CD Collection, Duets II [320], Tony Bennett Celebrates 90
Tory Lanez - Discography (2010-2020, except Daystar)[160~320, except Chixtape 5 + The New Toronto 3 in 24]
T-Pain - Discography (2005-2012)[192~16]
Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman
Travis Garland - Discography (2011-2015)[160~320]
Travis Scott - Discography (2015-2018)[24~24/88]
Trey Songz [320] - Trey Day, Passion, Pain & Pleasure, Chapter V
TroyBoi - icekream [128~320], SoundSnobz [128~320], Left is Right [128], V!BEZ [128], V!BEZ, Vol.3
Tsar B - The Games I Played [320]
Tyga - Discography (2008-2016)[320], Legendary
Tyrese - I Wanna Go There
UltraVillain - Lost in You [320]
Ulvesang - Ulvesang [24], The Hunt
Unity: Athens 2004 (Olympic Games Album)
Usher - Discography (1994-2018)[16~24]
Van Morrison - Moondance
Vitas - Discography (2001-2009)[128~256, except A Kiss as Long as Eternity+20th Century Hits in 16]
Waka Flocka Flame - Flockaveli
Whitney - Light Upon the Lake
Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston
Wisin & Yandel - Discography (2000-2012)[320]
Wiz Khalifa - We Dem Boyz [320], various songs [320]
Wiz Khalifa & Curren$y - 2009 [24]
Wyclef Jean - Carnival, Vol. II- Memoirs of an Immigrant
X Japan - Discoraphy (1988-2017)[16~24/96]
XXXTentacion - Revenge [320], 17 [24/192], ? [320]
Xzibit - Restless
Yann Tiersen - Discography (1995-2003)[96~160]
YG - My Krazy Life, Still Brazy, My Life 4Hunnid [24]
Young Bleed - My Balls and My Word
Young Buck - Buck the World
Young Thug - Barter 6 [320], Slime Season [24], Slime Season 2 [320], I'm Up [320], Slime Season 3 [320], Jeffery [320], So Much Fun
Yuki Kajiura - Discography (includes side projects: FictionJunction/YUUKA, Kalafina)(Anime soundtracks 1996-2018)
Yuna - Chapters [320]
Zed Yun Pavarotti - French Cash [320]
Zeina [320] - Odd One Out, various singles
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So, how difficult is it to bounce back from relegation from the Premier League? I picked around a little bit in historical trends [OC]

As the new season gets underway, there's no lack of predictions being thrown around. While we all know that Manchester City are winning the Premier League again and Liverpool are getting relegated because they haven't spent any money only spent £11m on a backup fullback, what of those unlucky few who were banished to the netherworld that is the Championship?
Around the internet, there does seem to be a consensus that Bournemouth, Norwich, and Watford are all among the favorites to come right back up, whether this is coming from Scottish Teens betting markets or "journalists" like 538. I’m not here to litigate the validity of 538’s modelling process for soccer outcomes, though I’ll admit I enjoy reading them every now and then. What spurred me to do this is seeing just how much all three of the freshly-relegated sides are pretty heavy favorites in their model, with only Brentford coming close.
So, I was curious how long it usually has taken teams since football started since 1992 (as a convenient cut-off spot). I’m sure the information did exist somewhere in a moderately-accessible format, but I was sitting around waiting for people to reply to my emails so I thought I’d just go ahead and build the following list of relegated teams in chronological order:
Year Relegated Years outside of the PL Ever Promoted?
1993 Nottingham Forest 1 1
1993 Middlesbrough 2 1
1993 Crystal Palace 1 1
1994 Sheffield United 12 1
1994 Oldham Athletic 29 0
1994 Swindon Town 28 0
1995* Crystal Palace 2 1
1995 Norwich City 9 1
1995 Leicester City 1 1
1995 Ipswich Town 5 1
1996 Manchester City 4 1
1996 Queens Park Rangers 15 1
1996 Bolton Wanderers 1 1
1997 Sunderland 2 1
1997 Middlesbrough 1 1
1997 Nottingham Forest 1 1
1998 Bolton Wanderers 3 1
1998 Barnsley 23 0
1998 Crystal Palace 6 1
1999 Charlton Athletic 1 1
1999 Blackburn Rovers 2 1
1999 Nottingham Forest 22 0
2000 Wimbledon 22 0
2000 Sheffield Wednesday 21 0
2000 Watford 6 1
2001 Manchester City 1 1
2001 Coventry City 20 0
2001 Bradford City 22 0
2002 Ipswich Town 20 0
2002 Derby County 5 1
2002 Leicester City 1 1
2003 West Ham 2 1
2003 West Bromwich Albion 1 1
2003 Sunderland 2 1
2004 Leicester City 10 1
2004 Leeds 16 1
2004 Wolves 5 1
2005 Crystal Palace 8 1
2005 Norwich City 10 1
2005 Southampton 7 1
2006 Birmingham City 1 1
2006 West Bromwich Albion 2 1
2006 Sunderland 1 1
2007 Sheffield United 12 1
2007 Charlton Athletic 15 0
2007 Watford 8 1
2008 Reading 4 1
2008 Birmingham City 1 1
2008 Derby County 13 0
2009 Newcastle 1 1
2009 Middlesbrough 7 1
2009 West Bromwich Albion 1 1
2010 Hull 3 1
2010 Burnley 4 1
2010 Portsmouth 12 0
2011 Birmingham City 10 0
2011 Blackpool 11 0
2011 West Ham 1 1
2012 Bolton Wanderers 11 0
2012 Blackburn Rovers 9 0
2012 Wolves 6 1
2013 Reading 8 0
2013 Queens Park Rangers 1 1
2013 Wigan 9 0
2014 Cardiff City 4 1
2014 Fulham 4 1
2014 Norwich City 5 1
2015 Hull 1 1
2015 Burnley 1 1
2015 Queens Park Rangers 6 0
2016 Newcastle 1 1
2016 Norwich City 3 1
2016 Aston Villa 3 1
2017 Hull 5 0
2017 Middlesbrough 4 0
2017 Sunderland 5 0
2018 Swansea 3 0
2018 Stoke City 3 0
2018 West Bromwich Albion 2 1
2019 Cardiff City 2 0
2019 Fulham 1 1
2019 Huddersfield Town 2 0
* In 1995, the PL went from 22 teams to 20, and so they relegated 4 teams. In other years, Palace would have survived. I think.
The first two columns are pretty self-explanatory, it’s the year in which the club got relegated (pulled from Wikipedia). The next one is how many years a team was outside of the top flight, with 1 meaning they were promoted the very next year, 2 meaning they were promoted after their second year, and so on. For clubs who to this point have not managed to get promoted back to the PL, this third column is the minimum amount of time they’ll spend in outside of the PL. So for example, Stoke was relegated in 2018 so they’ve got a 3 because at a bare minimum they’ll take 3 years outside of the top flight if hell freezes over they manage promotion this year (sorry Stoke, you’ve actually got a decent shot tbf). For teams lower than that, a la Charlton who are currently in League One, this number assumes back-to-back promotions, as unlikely as that is. Not a perfect system, I know.
For Wimbledon, I’m considering AFC Wimbledon the continuation of Wimbledon FC, because fuck MK Dons.
So what’s the data look like? Here’s the distribution of how long it has taken teams to return:
Years outside the PL Count
1 21
2 10
3 6
4 6
5 6
6 4
7 2
8 3
9 3
10 3
11 2
12 3
13 1
14 0
15 2
16 1
17 0
18 0
19 0
20 2
21 1
22 3
23 1
24 0
25 0
26 0
27 2
Across 82 instances of relegation, 45 separate teams have suffered the sting of relegation. The median time between relegation and promotion is 4 years and average is 6.75, though obviously these are moving targets because a lot of these teams haven’t been back yet and some may very well never be back.
On 21 occasions, a relegated team has come right back up the following year. Birmingham City, Leicester, Newcastle, and West Brom have all achieved this feat twice, and no one has ever done it more than twice. Sunderland and West Brom have each managed bouncing back after two years twice, and Sheffield United interestingly enough took 12 years to get back both times that they’ve been relegated.
In ’93, ’97, ’06, ’09, and ’15, two teams that went down came right back up. There has never been a year when each team relegated from the PL managed promotion immediately. Most years do have at least one club come back within 1 or 2 years. The year with the longest gap is 1994 at 12 years for, you guessed it, Sheffield United. The other two clubs relegated that year are Oldham and Swindon, both of whom don’t look like they’ll be rejoining the top flight any time soon. The next-largest gap is 8 years, with Watford, Charlton, and once again Sheffield United being relegated in 2007. Watford made it back to the PL in 2015.
1994 was definitely the toughest year for the relegated teams, with other notably difficult years for re-promotion being 2000:
Team Years outside the PL
Sheffield Wednesday 21 (currently in Championship)
Watford 6
Wimbledon 22 (currently in League One after a wild few decades)
Team Years outside the PL
Leeds 16
Leicester 10
Wolves 5
And 2007 which I touched on earlier:
Team Years outside the PL
Charlton 15 (currently in League One)
Sheffield United 12
Watford 8
The strongest relegation groups (at least in so far as how long it took them to return) were in ’93, ’97, and ’06. Each of these had two teams bounce right back up with the third in each group taking one more year. Honorable mention to 2003 when West Brom came right back up and Sunderland and West Ham managed the feat in 2 years apiece.
To bring it full-circle, it seems to me like models like 538 may be slightly overestimating the likelihood that multiple of the relegated sides make it back, but the better takeaway from their predictions is probably that it's highly likely at least one of the teams makes it back, which did happen in roughly 60% of years I looked at here. I personally can't see Bournemouth bouncing back given their "off-season", but who knows. Certainly not me.
All this data is sitting in an excel sheet on my computer now, and I successfully killed an afternoon-ish of my time. If anyone has any other little factoids they're wondering about, let me know and I'll happily jump back in.
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Brazilian Big12 series, Episode 12/12: São Paulo

Previous episodes: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Grêmio, Botafogo, Atlético Mineiro, Internacional, Corinthians, Santos, Palmeiras, Cruzeiro
In this series I will present each of the 12 Brazilian teams that together compose the "Big 12". My point is to make them more knowledgeable to you, since each one of these teams have their share of the Brazil national team success and of Brazilian club football accomplishments as a whole. I'll try to be as smooth, efficient and non-boring as I can. If the feedback is positive, I'll keep bringing more to this series. So ok, let's do this!
Method: I'll present the teams in a chronological order, from the oldest foundation (Flamengo-1895) to the latest one (São Paulo-1930). The order will be: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Grêmio, Botafogo, Atlético Mineiro, Internacional, Corinthians, Santos, Palmeiras, Cruzeiro, São Paulo. How many of these have you heard of?
Extra clubs: Due to a high number of requests, I'll also present 3 teams who don't belong to the Big12, but are also considered big clubs in Brazil: Bahia, Athletico Paranaense and Coritiba. Welcome to the club!
Geographical reference: Before we start, I'd like to ask something very simple from you. I want you to keep in mind that these 12 teams are spread in 4 different States in Brazil. The club's State name is written below, next to the club's name. It has a direct link to Google Maps, so that you can check it out to make this experience more accurate.

Episode 12/12: São Paulo (State: São Paulo), founded in 1930

State rivals: Corinthians, Palmeiras, Santos

Stadium: Morumbi

Mascot: Saint Paul

Major achievements: 3 Intercontinental/Club World Cup (1992, 1993, 2005), 3 Copa Libertadores (1992, 1993, 2005), 6 Brazilian Leagues (1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007, 2008), 1 Supercopa Libertadores (1993)

State League titles: 21 (Against Corinthians' 30, Palmeiras' 23, Santos' 22)

São Paulo FC, the biggest Brazilian club
São Paulo seems to be the only team in Brazil that has all the major ingredients that make a team, the biggest: lots of international and domestic titles, big fanbase, big stadium, big idols and historical teams. Clubs like Santos or Flamengo come close, but lack one or other ingredient - that's why São Paulo, the only 3x Club World champion and the youngest of the Big12, is considered the biggest club in Brazil!
Brazilian Club International titles Domestic titles Total
São Paulo 12 6 18
Santos 8 9 17
Flamengo 5 12 17
Palmeiras 3 14 17
Cruzeiro 7 10 17
Corinthians 4 11 15
Grêmio 6 8 14
Not only São Paulo leads the title rank, but also the runner-up rank, as you can see below:
Brazilian Club International runner-ups Domestic runner-ups Total
São Paulo 8 8 16
Cruzeiro 9 7 16
Palmeiras 6 5 11
Santos 2 9 11
Internacional 2 8 10
Grêmio 6 4 10
In the entire South America, São Paulo is only behind Boca Juniors and Independiente in international trophies:
South American club Intercontinental/Club World Cup Copa Libertadores Others Total
Boca Juniors 3 6 9 18
Independiente 2 7 5 14
São Paulo 3 3 6 12
River Plate 1 4 5 10
However, you have to consider that in Argentina there are only 5-7 big clubs (Boca, River, Independiente, San Lorenzo, Racing, Estudiantes, Vélez), while in Brazil there are at least 12, making things more difficult to São Paulo.
São Paulo is also the only Brazilian club to win 3x the Intercontinental/Club World Cup, which is considered their biggest feat:
Event Match Goals
Intercontinental Cup 1992 São Paulo 2-1 Barcelona Raí (2x), Stoichkov
Intercontinental Cup 1993 São Paulo 3-2 Milan Palhinha, Cerezo, Müller, Massaro, Papin
Club World Cup 2005 São Paulo 1-0 Liverpool Mineiro
The beginnings
São Paulo was founded in 1930, and accepted people from any origin, social class or ethnicity since their early days. They won their first trophy in 1931, a State League title, led by Friedenreich - who scored 103 goals in 5 years at the club. After a few fusions with other clubs, the team would begin to really shine in the 1940s.
The 1940s: five State League titles
Due to Brazil's huge size and weak infrastructure, there wasn't a National League until 1959 - until then and even afterwards, the State Leagues were the main tournaments.
In the 1940s, São Paulo won 5 of them. At this time, the club also received the nickname "The Dearest Team", because they dared to bring and show a huge São Paulo State Flag in the inauguration of the Pacaembu stadium, in front of 70.000 spectators, including the hated Brazilian dictator Getúlio Vargas.
Leonidas da Silva
The first big idol of the club was Leonidas, present in the 5 State League titles in the 1940s. The Black Diamond had played in two World Cups (1934, 1938) and joined the club in 1942. He scored 140 goals in 212 matches, and retired from football in this same club, in 1950.
It was in this decade that São Paulo gained the respect of the best teams of the city, Palmeiras and Corinthians, who already had 10 State League titles on their account.
In 1943, during a State League draw, a Corinthians' director said that the draw was unnecessary: he flipped a coin and said that if it falls head Palmeiras will be champions, if it falls tail it will be Corinthians. After being questioned about São Paulo, he replied, laughing: "if the coin stands, it will be São Paulo, if it stops in the air, it will be Portuguesa". São Paulo were the champions, and had a huge coin standing on their car during the celebrations at night.
The Steamroller dominated the decade, got the respect of Corinthians and Palmeiras and were now considered a rival. These 3 teams received the nickname of Iron Trio from the media.
1950s-1970: construction of Morumbi, the biggest private stadium in the world
The club destined all their money in the 1950s to the construction of their stadium Morumbi, which would be the biggest private stadium in the world. Without funds to build a strong team, they only won two State Leagues in this period (1953, 1957), with the legendary Hungarian coach Béla Guttmann commanding them in the 1957 title, with 1950 World Cup Golden Ball winner Zizinho on their side.
While São Paulo built their stadium, a young kid named Pelé arrived at Santos, and gave no chance to them, or to the Iron Trio teams in the 1960s.
1970s: back in the game
In this decade, São Paulo won their first Brazilian League title in 1977, and also 3 State Leagues (1970, 1971, 1975), besides one Copa Libertadores runner-up (1974), and one Brazilian League runner-up (1973).
Curiously enough, the 1977 São Paulo wasn't a great team, and nobody bet on them to become Brazilian champions. They beat Atlético Mineiro in the final, on the penalties, after two 0-0 ties. São Paulo missed their first two penalties, but managed to overcome Atlético, who sent three shots away. No São Paulo player was elected to the League's Best XI.
The São Paulo players who stood out in this decade were: Gérson, World Cup champion in 1970, Pedro Rocha, elected to the League's Best XI in 1973, Mirandinha, elected to the League's Best XI in 1973 and called to the 1974 World Cup, Waldir Peres, excellent goalkeeper who won the League Golden Ball in 1975 and played in 3 World Cups (1974, 1978, 1982), Chicão, centre-back who played 312 matches for São Paulo in the 1970s and got called to the 1978 World Cup, and Serginho Chulapa, the club's greatest topscorer, who scored 242 goals in 399 matches for São Paulo between 1973-1982, and played in the 1982 World Cup as a starter, after Careca's injury.
1980s: State dominance
In the 1980s, São Paulo watched their rivals Palmeiras and Santos struggle, as they took home 5 State League titles (1980, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1989).
But it was in the 1986 Brazilian League that São Paulo proved their worth. Led by Careca, they ended the 1st stage undefeated (7W-3D). On the second stage, they kept the good shape, with only 2 defeats in 16 matches, and with 3 wins scoring 5 goals or more.
On the knock-out stage, São Paulo first met Inter de Limeira in the ro16, the current São Paulo State League champions. São Paulo lost the 1st leg 1-2, but gave a 3-0 back in the return leg, with Careca scoring once on each match.
In the quarter-finals, they would play Fluminense, and lost the 1st leg 0-1. In the 2nd leg, Careca opened the score at '67 with this crazy goal, and Müller scored the second ten minutes later.
In the semi-finals, they would face América, a traditional team from Rio de Janeiro, that was big in the old days. América's goalkeeper worked hard, but at '80, Careca finally scored with this shot. In the return leg, Careca scored this genius lob goal from inside the box. The team held América's pressure, and left with a 1-1 tie and the spot in the big final.
The big final would be against Guarani. In the 1st leg at the Morumbi, the topscorers of the tournament, Evair and Careca, scored once each, and the match ended 1-1. The 2nd leg was one of the craziest Brazilian League finals. It ended 1-1 with two own goals, and went to extratime. São Paulo did 2-1 with Pita at '91, but Guarani tied at '97 and scored the 3-2 at '110, with this goal of guts. São Paulo needed a goal in 10 minutes, and at '119, Careca scored to tie the match 3-3 and become the league topscorer. On the penalties, Careca missed São Paulo's first shot, but so did Guarani. São Paulo would score all their 4 other penalties, while Guarani's João Paulo sent it away, so that São Paulo were crowned Brazilian League champions for the 2nd time.
São Paulo had 6 players elected to the League's Best XI: Gilmar, Dario Pereyra, Nelsinho, Bernardo, Pita, and the Golden Ball and league topscorer with 25 goals, Careca.
Also in 1986, São Paulo had 5 players called to the 1986 World Cup, notably the starters Müller and Careca, as well as Oscar, Falcão and Silas. They lost on the penalties to France in the quarter-finals.
1991-1994: Telê Santana Era, the team that dominated the world
Johan Cruyff said, after his Barcelona lost to São Paulo in the 1992 Intercontinental Cup: "if you are to be run over, better be by a Ferrari".
This São Paulo superteam dominated Brazil, South America and the World in these years. They won 2 Intercontinental Cups, 2 Copa Libertadores, 1 Brazilian League, 1 State League, 2 Recopa, 1 Supercopa Libertadores and 1 Copa Conmebol, not to mention the Tereza Herrera (4-1 against Barcelona) and the Ramón de Carranza (4-0 against Real Madrid) in Spain.
Everything started in 1990, with the arrival of Telê Santana, the celebrated Brazil 1982 coach. With him, São Paulo finished 2nd in the Brazilian League, losing to their rival Corinthians on the final.
In 1991, São Paulo began the season in great fashion, winning the Brazilian League by June, with a 67% rate. They led the first stage, then knocked Atlético Mineiro out in the semis after two ties (1-1, 0-0), before beating Bragantino in the final (1-0 and 0-0), with this goal from Tilico on the 1st leg. São Paulo were crowned Brazilian League champions for the 3rd time. Two São Paulo players were elected to the League Best XI: Ricardo Rocha and Leonardo.
On December 1991, São Paulo had their revenge against Corinthians in the State League final: in front of 102.000 spectators at the Morumbi, Raí scored a hat-trick and ended the conversation. 3-0 to São Paulo on the first leg, and a 0-0 tie in the second leg to secure the State League title against Corinthians.
1992: the first Copa Libertadores and Club World titles
In this season, São Paulo won the Copa Libertadores on the first semester, then the Intercontinental Cup and the State League titles on the second.
At the beginning, the coach Telê used the reserves in the Copa Libertadores, considering it a way too disloyal competition. But after a 0-3 defeat and with the pressure from the board to take it seriously, he changed his strategy and qualified from the group stage on the 2nd place, with 3W-2D-1L, behind Criciúma.
São Paulo passed through Nacional (Uruguay) in the ro16 without much problems and 2 wins (1-0, 2-0).
In the quarter-finals, São Paulo suffered, but beat Criciúma 1-0 at home with this goal from Macedo. In the 2nd leg, Criciúma opened the score at '10, but Palhinha tied with this great goal at '55, qualifying his team to the semis.
In the semis against Barcelona (Ecuador), São Paulo smashed them 3-0 at home, with another great goal from Palhinha. In the 2nd leg in Ecuador, São Paulo goalkeeper Zetti performed this huge mistake as Barcelona scored 2-0 at '87, but it was too late and São Paulo qualified to the final.
In the big final against Newell's Old Boys (Argentina), São Paulo lost the 1st leg in Argentina, 0-1. At home, with a crowd of 105.000 at the Morumbi, Raí scored 1-0 from a penalty at '65. The match ended and went to the penalties. The Argentines hit the post on their first shot, but São Paulo lost their third one. The Argentines missed their 4th shot, while Cafu scored. Zetti saved Newell's 5th shot - and São Paulo were crowned South American champions for the first time.
Palhinha was the Copa Libertadores topscorer with 7 goals. This title qualified São Paulo to the Intercontinental Cup, to play against European champions Barcelona in December.
São Paulo 2-1 Barcelona: the 1992 Intercontinental Cup title
In August, São Paulo had already beaten Barça 4-1 for the Tereza Herrera Trophy (5mn video), with Müller scoring this nice goal. Four months later, they would meet in Tokyo for the Intercontinental Cup trophy.
Bulgarian Stoichkov opened the score at '12 with this amazing goal. São Paulo, led by Raí, quickly dominated the match and tied at '27: Müller did a great Cruyffesque turn and assisted Raí to score. Minutes later, Müller almost scored this great lob goal. In the second half, Barcelona almost scored again, but Ronaldão saved on the line. At '78, Raí scored from this no-chance free-kick on the GK side to overcome the score to 2-1 in São Paulo's favor. Not much else was done, the match ended, and São Paulo were crowned for the first time Club World champions.
Raí, who scored a brace, was elected Man of the Match.
São Paulo - 2 1 - Barcelona
1. Zetti 1. Zubizarreta
2. Vítor 2. Ferrer
4. Ronaldão 4. Koeman
3. Adilson 3. Guardiola
6. Ronaldo Luís 5. Sacristán
5. Pintado 6. Bakero (Goikoetxea)
8. Toninho Cerezo (Dinho) 7. Amor
10. Raí 10. Witschge
11. Cafu 11. Beigiristain (Nadal)
7. Müller 8. Stoichkov
9. Palhinha 9. Laudrup
Telê Santana Johan Cruyff
One week after the title, on the 20th December, São Paulo played the 2nd leg of the São Paulo State League final, against rivals Palmeiras. São Paulo had won the 1st leg 4-2, with a hat-trick by Raí and this great goal by Cafu. In the 2nd and final leg, in front of 111.000 spectators, São Paulo won 2-1, with goals by Müller and Cerezo, to secure their 18th State League title and tie with Palmeiras in the State League title ranking.
São Paulo played 84 matches in 1992, with 45W-21D-18L (66% rate) and 133 goals scored. Raí was the topscorer with 31 goals, folllowed by Palhinha (25) and Müller (24).
1993: International Quadruple Crown, São Paulo dominates the World again
São Paulo started the season playing the São Paulo State League. However, the 1990s was a Golden Era of Brazilian football, and the State League was dominated by a rich Palmeiras sponsored by Parmalat, with Roberto Carlos, César Sampaio, Edílson, Zinho and Edmundo - so that São Paulo finished 3rd.
São Paulo were focused in the 1993 Copa Libertadores, which they entered in the ro16, as returning champions. At first they had a 1992 rematch against Newell's Old Boys (Argentina): they lost 0-2 in Argentina, but stomped them 4-0 at home in the 2nd leg (3mn29 video).
In the quarter-finals, they met Flamengo. Palhinha scored this beautiful lob goal at the Maracanã, in the 1st leg that ended 1-1. At home, Dinho almost scored from this crazy free-kick, but Müller didn't forgive and scored this nice goal at '24. Right-back Vitor saved São Paulo with the goal empty moments later, and then he assisted Cafu to score the second and qualifying goal at '68.
In the semis, São Paulo sent Cerro Porteño (Paraguay) home, after a 1-0 victory at home and a 0-0 tie away. In the 2nd leg, after a corner kick by Arce, Ronaldo Luís saved São Paulo on the goal line.
In the big final, São Paulo destroyed Universidad Católica (Chile). In the 1st leg at home, they were leading 5-0 at '70, before the Chileans scored their goal of honor at '85 - goals and highlights here (7mn13 video). In the 2nd leg in Chile, São Paulo lost 0-2, and were crowned back-to-back Copa Libertadores champions.
Raí left to French club PSG after the Libertadores title. In this first span (1987-93) at the club, he scored 111 goals in 306 matches, as a midfielder. He would come back later, from 1998 until 2000.
In September, São Paulo won their 2nd international trophy of the year - the Recopa Sudamericana, against Cruzeiro (0-0, 0-0, p.k. 4-2).
In November, São Paulo won their 3rd international trophy of the year - the Supercopa Libertadores, which gathered all the 16 Libertadores champions in history. After beating Independiente (Argentina) (2-0, 1-1), Grêmio (2-2, 1-0), Atlético Nacional (Colombia) (1-0, 1-2, p.k. 5-4) and Flamengo (2-2, 2-2, p.k. 5-3) in the final, they only needed a win in the Intercontinental Cup against the AC Milan of Fabio Capello to claim the unique International Quadruple Crown.
São Paulo 3-2 Milan: the 1993 Intercontinental Cup back-to-back title
The early 1990s Milan was legendary - Gli Invicibili (The Invincibles) that won the 1991/92 Serie A unbeaten, reaching a 58-match run with no defeats. Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini, one of the strongest defences in football history, also Desailly and Donadoni in midfield, plus Massaro and Jean-Pierre Papin in attack. This Milan had 5 starters of the 1994 WC final against Brazil - São Paulo had none, actually only 5 bench players (Zetti, Ronaldão, Leonardo, Müller, and Cafu - who was subbed in during the final).
This 1993/94 Milan only conceded 25 goals in 54 matches, but São Paulo somehow found a way to score 3 against them.
Milan started the match better, with this crazy shot from Massaro. But it was São Paulo who opened the score at '19 with Palhinha, after this cross from Cafu. Massaro tied at the beginning of the 2nd half, but Cerezo scored the second at '59 after a cross from Leonardo. Papin tied it 2-2 at '81 from a header. But 7 minutes later at '88, this funny back/knee goal happened, scored by Müller. São Paulo held the pressure, the match ended and the World belong to São Paulo once again, for the second year in a row.
Toninho Cerezo was elected Man of the Match. With this title, São Paulo joined Pelé's Santos record of winning two back-to-back Copa Libertadores and Club World titles - they are the only South American teams to have done so until today, and probably, forever.
São Paulo - 3 2 - Milan
1. Zetti 1. Rossi
2. Cafu 2. Panucci
4. Ronaldão 6. Baresi
3. Válber 4. Costacurta
6. André Luiz 3. Maldini
5. Dinho 8. Desailly
8. Doriva 5. Albertini (Tassotti)
11. Toninho Cerezo 7. Donadoni
10. Leonardo 11. Massaro
9. Palhinha (Juninho Paulista) 10. Papin
7. Müller 9. Raducioiu (Orlando)
Telê Santana Fabio Capello
With this title, São Paulo won the International Quadruple Crown, and is the only team in the South American history to have achieved it.
Date International Trophy Adversary
May 26th 1993 Copa Libertadores Universidad Católica (Chile)
September 29th 1993 Recopa Sudamericana Cruzeiro
November 24th 1993 Supercopa Libertadores Flamengo
December 12th 1993 Intercontinental Cup Milan (Italy)
In 1993, São Paulo played 98 matches, with 46W-30D-22L (62% rate), scoring 163 goals. Palhinha and Raí were the topscorers with 22 goals each, followed by Cafu (20) and Müller (15).
Player Period Apps Goals Brazil NT Caps Goals World Cup att.
Zetti 1990-97 432 - 17 - 1 (1994)
Cafu 1990-94 273 38 150 5 4 (1994, 1998, 2002, 2006)
Valber 1992-97 159 5 12 - -
Ronaldão 1986-93 300 3 14 3 1 (1994)
Ronaldo Luís 1992-95 109 2 - - -
André Luiz 1993-96 90 9 12 1 -
Pintado 1992-93 116 2 - - -
Doriva 1991-94 81 1 14 - 1 (1998)
Dinho 1992-93 113 12 1 - -
Toninho Cerezo 1992-93 72 7 73 5 2 (1978, 1980)
Raí 1987-93, 98-2000 393 128 49 17 1 (1994)
Leonardo 1990-91, 93-94, 2001 112 17 60 7 2 (1994, 1998)
Müller 1984-88, 90-94, 1996 191 110 59 12 3 (1986, 1990, 1994)
Palhinha 1992-95 229 71 16 5 -
Juninho Paulista 1993-95 141 22 50 5 1 (2002)
1994-95: the end of the Telê Era
Before Telê started to get sick in 1995, he had time to collect the 1994 Recopa Sudamericana and the 1994 Copa Conmebol - the latter with the reserve team, called Little Express, with upcoming talents such as Rogério Ceni, Juninho Paulista, and Denílson, who even beat the traditional Peñarol (Uruguay) 6-1 in the final - the largest score in a South American final ever.
He also reached the 1994 Copa Libertadores final, but lost it on the penalties to Vélez Sarsfield (Argentina) (0-1, 1-0, p.k. 3-5).
Telê passed away in 2006, at the age of 74, and is considered the best Brazilian coach in history. He inspired a series of world class coaches, namely Marcelo Bielsa, Arrigo Sachi and Pep Guardiola - notably with his Brazil 1982 and São Paulo 90-94 sides.
1996-2004: Rebuilding times, the club that almost wins
In this period, São Paulo was known for building good teams and revealing great players, but without collecting trophies. They only won 2 State Leagues (1998, 2000), 1 Rio-São Paulo Tournament (2001), and an irrelevant Copa Master da Conmebol (1996).
On the other hand, they finished 2nd in three State Leagues (1996, 1997, 2003), two Rio-São Paulo (1998, 2002), 1 Copa dos Campeões (2001), 1 Supercopa Libertadores (1997) and one traumatic Copa do Brasil (2000), losing the title in the last 10 minutes. They also reached 1 Copa Libertadores semi-final (2004), 1 Copa Sudamericana semi-final (2003) and finished 3rd in two Brazilian Leagues (2003, 2004). Meanwhile, their rivals Corinthians and Palmeiras were collecting trophy after trophy, while Santos started to reemerge to big titles.
The highlights of this period were the return of Raí in 1998 and his performance (7mn video) against Corinthians in the State League final, the performances of Rogério Ceni, Belletti, França, Dodô, Marcelinho Paraíba and Luís Fabiano, and the revelations of Denílson, Julio Baptista and Kaká. Three of them even represented São Paulo at the 2002 World Cup title (Rogério Ceni, Belletti, Kaká), as well as Edmilson and Denilson, who lived this period at the club and were now in Europe. But the trophies weren't coming.
Kaká, notably, appeared in 2001 in the Rio-São Paulo Tournament final. He entered the match at 0-1, and scored two goals in two minutes, thus taking the title home. He performed well in the 2001 Brazilian League, but was knocked out in the quarter-finals.
After the 2002 World Cup title in June, Kaká returned to São Paulo and tore the Brazilian League apart with Luis Fabiano, winning the Golden Ball Award. However, the title didn't come again, as they lost in the quarter-finals (1-3, 1-2) to the uprising young talents of Santos' Diego and Robinho. The São Paulo supporters were extremely angry at Kaká, calling him a popcorn maker (meaning choker in Brazil), and demanded his exit, notably after another defeat in the 2003 State League final (2-3, 2-3) to rivals Corinthians. Kaká then left the club in 2003 to join Milan. He played 131 matches and scored 48 goals for São Paulo, in this period (2001-2003).
Player Period Apps Goals Brazil NT Caps Goals World Cup att.
Rogério Ceni 1990-2015 1237 131 18 - 2 (2002, 2006)
Edmilson 1994-00 256 1 40 1 1 (2002)
Belletti 1996-02 200 16 51 1 1 (2002)
França 1996-02 327 182 8 1 -
Dodô 1995-99 169 93 5 2 -
Marcelinho Paraíba 1997-00, 2010-11 201 50 6 1 -
Denilson 1994-98 191 26 61 8 2 (1998, 2002)
Kaká 2001-03, 2014 155 51 95 31 3 (2002, 2006, 2010)
Luís Fabiano 2001-04, 2011-15 347 213 45 28 1 (2010)
2005, Libertadores, Club World Cup and Rogério Ceni - the myth, the legend, the 1
Before 2005, Rogério Ceni was considered just a good goalkeeper - after that, he became a club idol and started de facto his legacy. Ceni arrived at the club in 1990, at the age of 17. He got promoted to Telê's main team in 1992, after the death of third goalkeeper Alexandre, and collected some important titles under him, as reserve. He started playing in 1997, for both São Paulo and Brazil NT - his known antipathy however didn't help him for Brazil, specially with so many talents around with more empathy, like Taffarel and Marcos, or with more skills, like Dida. He developed himself as a world class free-kick taker - and that, somehow, worked against him when people analyzed his goalkeeping abilities.
Rogério Ceni is the goalkeeper with the most goals scored in history, with 131 goals in 1237 matches for São Paulo - 69 from penalties, 61 from free-kicks. In 2005, he notably scored 21 goals in 75 matches, being the team's topscorer of the season.
The team started the 2005 season with some good players from 2004: Cicinho, Fabão, Lugano, Josué, Danilo, Tardelli and Grafite. With the arrival of Júnior, Mineiro, Amoroso and Luizão, the team was ready to dominate South America and the world for the third time.
They started winning the São Paulo State League, led by the coach Émerson Leão, main responsible for building the team, since his arrival on September 2004. He would then leave to Japan, being subbed by Paulo Autuori.
In the Copa Libertadores group stage, São Paulo ended 1st, with 3W at home and 3D away, against The Strongest (Bolivia) (3-3, 3-0), Universidad de Chile (Chile) (4-2, 1-1) and Quilmes (Argentina) (2-2, 3-1). Highlights to this free-kick goal by Rogério Ceni against Universidad.
In the ro16, São Paulo met their city rivals Palmeiras, and won the 1st leg 1-0 away with this great goal by Cicinho. In the 2nd leg at home, Rogério Ceni and Cicinho scored at '81 and '89 to beat Palmeiras 2-0.
In the quarter-finals, Tigres (Mexico) lost 0-4 to São Paulo in the 1st leg - Ceni opened the score with this great free-kick and also scored the third from another free-kick. In Mexico, they lost 1-2, but qualified anyway.
River Plate (Argentina) would be their adversary in the semis. At home, São Paulo hit the post twice, and won by 2-0, with goals from Danilo at '76 and Rogério Ceni, from this penalty at '89. In Argentina, São Paulo won 3-2, without much problems.
In the big final, São Paulo met Athletico Paranaense, and tied 1-1 in the 1st leg (away), with this funny own goal when they were losing 0-1. In the 2nd leg at home, São Paulo won 4-0: first with Amoroso at '16. Athletico then missed a penalty, and São Paulo scored the 2nd at '52 with Fabão. Luizão scored the 3rd and Tardelli the 4th. São Paulo were for the 3rd time, the Copa Libertadores champions, and the first Brazilian team to achieve it.
Ceni and Luizão were the topscorers of the team, with 5 goals each. This title qualified them to the 2005 Club World Cup.
2005 Club World Cup: São Paulo 1-0 Liverpool, 3x Club World champions
In Japan for their 3rd time, São Paulo first beat Al-Ittihad (Saudi Arabia) 3-2 in the semis, so they could face European champions Liverpool in the final.
The English team hadn't conceded a goal in 10 matches, and went full-attack on São Paulo, who defended themselves. But at '27, Mineiro scored the only goal of the match after a chipping from Aloisio. São Paulo defended as they could, with great help from Ceni, who performed the save of the year after Gerrard's free-kick at '51. The match ended at '93, and São Paulo were crowned Club World champions for the third time.
Ceni was elected Man of the Match and Golden Ball of the Cup.
São Paulo - 1 0 - Liverpool
1. Rogério Ceni 12. Pepe Reina
5. Lugano 3. Finnan
3. Fabão 4. Hyypiä
4. Edcarlos 23. Carragher
2. Cicinho 2. Warnock (Riise)
6. Júnior 22. Sissoko (Pongolle)
7. Mineiro 8. Gerrard
8. Josué 14. Xabi Alonso
10. Danilo 7. Kewell
14. Aloísio (Grafite) 10. Luis Garcia
11. Amoroso 19. Morientes (Crouch)
Paulo Autuori Rafael Benítez
2006-08: the Brazilian Sovereign
In 2006, São Paulo reached once again the Copa Libertadores final, but lost to Internacional (1-2, 2-2).
The team then focused on the Brazilian League, which they would win three consecutive times. Led by coach Muricy Ramalho, they would play defensive football (3-5-2) and show great regularity - though always getting eliminated in knock-out competitions. With these 3 titles, they reached a total of 6 league titles in their history.
In these 3 league titles, São Paulo played 114 matches, with 66 wins and only 16 defeats (overall rate of 67%), conceding only 87 goals.
11 São Paulo players were elected to the League's Best XI in this period: Ceni, Ilsinho, Fabão, Mineiro and Aloísio (2006), Ceni, Breno, Richarlyson, Hernanes (2007), Ceni, André Dias, Miranda, Hernanes and Borges (2008). Highlights to Hernanes, great São Paulo revelation, who later shone in Europe.
Player Period Apps Goals Brazil NT Caps Goals World Cup att.
Cicinho 2004-05, 2010 151 21 15 1 1 (2006)
Lugano (Uruguay) 2003-06, 2016-17 213 13 95 10 2 (2010, 2014)
Júnior 2004-08 198 11 22 1 1 (2002)
Mineiro 2005-07 138 7 25 -
Josué 2005-07 158 7 28 1 1 (2010)
Danilo 2004-06 194 37 - - -
Grafite 2004-06 75 27 4 1 1 (2010)
Amoroso 2005 26 18 20 10 -
Luizão 2005 28 11 17 3 1 (2002)
Aloísio 2005-08 124 23 - - -
Miranda 2006-11 260 10 58 3 1 (2018)
Richarlyson 2005-10 147 6 2 - -
Hernanes 2005-10, 2017, 2019- 297 49 27 2 1 (2014)
The São Paulo that brought fear to their adversaries disappeared in this period, collecting only one Copa Sudamericana in 2012. They managed however to reach two Copa Libertadores semi-finals (2010, 2016), two Copa do Brasil semi-finals (2012, 2015) and one 2nd place in the Brazilian League (2014). They also revealed Casemiro and Lucas Moura, among others.
São Paulo is one of the 3 Brazilian clubs to never be relegated.
To this day, São Paulo has the 3rd largest fanbase in Brazil, with 17 million supporters, and a stadium attendance average of 27.400, as of 2019.
If you have any questions about Brazilian football, feel free to join us at futebol, where you'll be very welcomed!
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Trophies and Winning Mentality


Hello, everyone. We've talked endlessly about Man United's various players and how good they really are, but something which I've seen crop up on occasion is the idea of the 'winning mentality'. In other words, it's this idea that part of the reason that this club is struggling on the pitch at the moment is attributable to the fact that most of our players have little to no experience winning trophies and so lack the required drive, desire or experience to succeed in the same way that the likes of Liverpool and Man City have.
How do we measure 'winning mentality', though? I don't think it can truly be measured objectively, but medals and trophy cabinets might give us some indication. Thus, I'll be going through every player currently at the club (with a minimum cut-off of fifty career senior appearances) and looking at all the senior trophies they've won to see how true it is that our current problems stem partially from a lack of experience at winning things.

David de Gea

De Gea was bought from Atlético Madrid by Sir Alex on the 29th of June 2011 for £18.9 million (which was a British record for a goalkeeper at the time) and it's fair to say that he's been among our best players in recent years. You may already know that he's one of the very few players left at the club who has won a Premier League title, but what else has he won?
Not many people talk about this, but DDG had actually won stuff with Atlético prior to joining United, namely the Europa League and the UEFA Super Cup. Not the most impressive haul, but part of Fergie's magic was instilling a winning mentality into players who otherwise might not have possessed the same mental fortitude.
At United, De Gea was of course part of Ferguson's last title-winning squad. In addition, he has won an FA Cup under van Gaal, a League Cup under Mourinho, three Community Shields (one under Ferguson, one under Moyes and one under Mourinho) and he even got a winners' medal when Mourinho won the Europa League (I checked and he did actually play a few fixtures). All-in-all, not a bad trophy haul, but considering that he was the best goalkeeper in the world at one point, he'll be disappointed to have won just one league title and no Champions Leagues in his senior career. His lack of silverware with Spain will also be an issue for him.

Dean Henderson

Hendo came from the youth ranks but didn't sign a senior contract until August 2015. He has since gone on loan to Stockport County, Grimsby Town, Shrewsbury Town and Sheffield United. In that time, he hasn't won a single senior trophy; the closest he came was making the EFL Trophy final with Shrewsbury and coming second in the Championship with Sheffield United. He's no doubt a solid keeper, but if we're to return to the glory days, Ole (or whoever a future manager might be) is going to need to drill him to win titles.

Sergio Romero

The Argentinian international was signed on a free transfer (his most recent club being Sampdoria) by Louis van Gaal on the 27th of July 2015. Prior to joining United, he had already won the Eredivisie and the Johan Cruyff Shield (which is basically the Dutch Super Cup) with AZ Alkmaar, so he had experience winning league titles. He had also recently featured in the World Cup Final for Argentina, but failed to win.
Since joining United, he has won the FA Cup, the League Cup, the Community Shield and, most notably, the Europa League. He has failed to win anything with Argentina despite reaching two Copa América finals. Considering he's essentially a backup, his trophy cabinet isn't too shabby. Plus, he absolutely earned that Europa League title under José considering he played both in the semi-final and the final (take notes, Ole).

Lee Grant

Manchester United's GOAT goalkeeper has had quite the career. Signed from Stoke City on the 3rd of July 2018 for a reported fee of £1.5 million, it's fair to say that he's a bit of a veteran, having made his senior debut all the way back in 2002. In that time, he has won absolutely nothing. I mean, I guess there's no obligation for the third-choice goalie to have won anything, but still, it's a little odd.

Joel Pereira

A youth player, Joel Pereira has spent most of his time on loan. He has yet to win anything.

Victor Lindelof

Lindelof was signed from Benfica by Mourinho in June 2017 for a fee of €35 million, and his list of honours is bigger than you might expect (granted, not quite playing at the same level). His first trophy was the Swedish Division 1 title with Vasteras SK, before winning three Primeira Liga titles, two Taca de Portugal titles, one Taca de Liga and one Supertaca Candido de Oliveira with Benfica. In other words, prior to joining United, he had won four league titles, two cups, a league cup and a super cup. He has yet to win anything with Sweden, however, or with Manchester United for that matter.

Eric Bailly

Bailly was the first player to be signed by Mourinho on the 8th of June 2016 for £30 million; he had previously been at Villareal. Bailly is a rather unusual case in that he hadn't won any domestic trophies prior to joining United but he's also the first person on this list to have won international silverware, more specifically the 2015 Africa Cup of Nations with Cote d'Ivoire. At United, he has won the Community Shield, the League Cup and the Europa League, all under José Mourinho.

Phil Jones

Now we come to none other than Jonesta himself. When he was first signed by Fergie from Blackburn Rovers on the 13th of June 2011 for £16.5 million, he was genuinely seen as one of the hottest young talents at the time despite not having won anything. It's a shame that hasn't really lived up to his potential, but right now, we're focussed only on trophies, and I have to say that he hasn't done too badly for himself on that front.
He's one of the few players at this club who has won the Premier League, more specifically Ferguson's last title (which is still one more than Steven Gerrard). He has also won the Community Shield under both Ferguson and Moyes (not under Mourinho, however), the FA Cup under van Gaal and the Europa League under Mourinho. At international level, he of course hasn't won anything with England.

Harry Maguire

Maguire was infamously signed for £80 million (a world record fee for a defender) from Leicester City on the 5th of August 2019. The only silverware he's ever won, though, is a Championship play-off trophy with Hull City, which is somehow still more than some of our other players. Of course, he's also reached two semi-finals with England (the World Cup and the Nations League) but he's yet to bring football home. With his record in mind, it's easy to see why some fans are sceptical of Slabhead's captaincy.

Marcos Rojo

Like Cristiano, Rojo came from Sporting, having been signed for £16 million by Louis van Gaal on the 19th of August 2014. He has been much-maligned by United fans for a while now (I bet most of you forgot he was still at the club), but his trophy cabinet, compared to most of our players, is actually relatively impressive.
While at Estudiantes de La Plata (which is not one of the Argentinian 'Big Two' of River Plate and Boca Juniors), Rojo won the 2010 Apertura (which I think counts as a league title?) and the 2009 Copa Libertadores. That makes him the first player on this list to have won a continental title. At United, he has won the FA Cup, the League Cup, the Europa League and the Community Shield. I have to say, if the problem is players who lack a winning mentality then I'm not sure Rojo should be the first to go (though he's still deadwood IMO).

Axel Tuanzebe

Somehow, he actually makes the cut-off; I didn't realise how much he's actually played. Another youth player, most of Tuanzebe's appearances have come while on loan to Aston Villa, and he actually won the Championship play-off with them, so he already has a trophy in his cabinet. He also supposedly has a Europa League to his name, but I'm not sure how considering he hadn't made his debut yet, so I'll be cautious and exclude it.

Luke Shaw

Louis van Gaal signed Luke Shaw from Southampton on the 27th of June 2014 for a reported fee of £30 million (making him the most expensive teenager in world football at the time). What had he won at that point? Nothing. Still, he was considered a generational talent and he has since won a couple of stuff at Manchester United: the Community Shield and the Europa League, both under José. Yeah, his trophy cabinet is pretty barebones.
Interestingly enough, Chelsea were in for him at the same time United were, but backed out due to his wage demands. Perhaps Shaw would have won more trophies had he gone to Chelsea instead? More interesting is that José Mourinho was Chelsea manager at the time, so it's quite ironic that after refusing to sign Shaw, he'd end up managing him anyway.

Timothy Fosu-Mensah

I'm not sure what position TFM plays, but fullback seems most appropriate. Anyway, he came through our academy and didn't win anything on his various loan deals. However, he has won both the FA Cup and the Europa League at United, like most of our players, it seems.

Alex Telles

Signed from Porto for £15 million in this transfer window, I'm happy to say that he's actually won a lot of stuff in various leagues, which is hopefully a good sign.
Firstly, he has won the Copa FGF (a regional Brazilian cup competition) twice with Juventude. Secondly, he has won a league title with Galatasaray, as well as two Turkish Cups and a Turkish Super Cup. Finally, he has won two Primeira Liga titles, a Taca de Portugal and a Supertaca Candido de Oliveira with Porto. He has won trophies at every club which he's spent more than a season with, so hopefully, he'll help United to our first piece of silverware since the Europa League under José.

Aaron Wan-Bissaka

Signed from Crystal Palace for £50 million on the 29th of June 2019, he hasn't got the greatest pedigree, winning nothing. How much he's expected to win at the age of 22, I don't know, but certainly, there's still plenty of time. What's needed is for someone to instil that winning mentality into him like Sir Alex would have done with his young signings.

Diogo Dalot

Dalot was supposedly considered a huge talent before signing for us, but really, it seems to me as if he should be a winger rather than a fullback. Anyway, we signed him from Porto on the 6th of June 2018 for £19 million, but went out on loan this transfer window to A.C. Milan. Believe it or not, he's actually got a trophy to his name, and it's not some minor super cup either; he's actually won the Primeira Liga with Porto. Dude has won more trophies than Aaron Wan-Bissaka.

Paul Pogba

Depending on who you ask, Pogba is a fantastic midfielder who is United's best player, a talented midfielder who has been too inconsistent or a waste of money who has cared only for himself (in José Mourinho's words, a 'virus'). This isn't too surprising considering we signed him for £89 million from Juventus on the 8th of August 2016, which was a world record for any player at the time; of course expectations were going to be high.
At Juventus, Pogba was a trophy-winning machine, having to his name four Serie A titles, two Coppa Italia titles and two Supercoppa Italiana titles. The lack of European success was his only weak spot in that regard. Since joining United, however, he's been restricted to a League Cup and a Europa League, which must feel like quite the stepdown (at least he's got a European trophy now, though probably not the one he wanted).
That's only counting club trophies, of course. His greatest achievement by far has to be his 2018 World Cup win for France; it's not as if he was a passenger either, being praised during the tournament for boosting France's midfield significantly. This, to me, shows that he can absolutely be motivated to win titles, but it doesn't seem to happening for him at United for whatever reason.

Juan Mata

The only David Moyes signing still at the club, Mata was signed from Chelsea in January 2014 for £37 million, which was a club record at the time. He had an illustrious career prior to joining United, and looking at his trophy cabinet, one could argue that he has effectively wasted his prime years at this club.
Even prior to joining Chelsea, he had won a Copa del Rey with Valencia and the 2010 World Cup with Spain. He then proceeded to win a Champions League, a Europa League and an FA Cup with Chelsea (as well as reaching the final of the FIFA Club World Cup), in addition to winning the 2012 European Championship with Spain. When United signed him at the age of 25, he had already won pretty much every major trophy barring a top-flight title and he hadn't even hit his prime, so the signing must have felt like an absolute steal.
Unfortunately, this is where Mata's success began to fade. At Manchester United, he has won a Europa League, an FA Cup, a League Cup and a Community Shield, but still no league title. At the age of 32, it seems unlikely that he'll win any more major trophies, which is a shame for a player who won so much at a tender age.

Jesse Lingard

Although he made several appearances as an unused sub under Fergie, Lingard didn't make his competitive debut for the club until the 2014-15 season under van Gaal (who loved to use youth players). How much has won, then? Not more than most other players, it should be said. None of his loan spells garnered him any trophies, but he has won the Europa League, the FA Cup, the League Cup and the Community Shield for Man United.


When United signed the Brazilian midfielder for £47 million from Shakhtar Donetsk on the 5th of June 2018, there were no doubt a few eyebrows raised. However, he has actually won a boatload of trophies at club level despite his lack of international success.
While at Internacional, Fred won the Campeonato Gaúcho (the top division of the Rio Grande do Sul regional leagues) twice and then proceeded to win three Ukrainian Premier League titles, three Ukrainian Cups and four Ukrainian Super Cups at Shakhtar Donetsk. That's actually not a bad trophy haul at all.

Bruno Fernandes

Ah, the Portuguese Magnifico himself; when United fans talk about the 'winning mentality', Bruno is often the first player that is pointed to as an example of a player who possesses this mentality. The question is, though, has Bruno actually won anything?
As a matter of fact, he has, but no league titles, unfortunately. While at Sporting, he has won a Taca de Portugal and two Taca da Liga titles, so a cup and two league cups. His most prestigious trophy is arguably the 2018-19 Nations League with Portugal, though time will tell if the Nations League successfully establishes itself as a premier competition. That being said, based solely on his trophy haul, there is little to suggest that Bruno has what it takes to win a league title (of course, anyone can see from his performances and demeanour on the pitch that he hates losing).

Nemanja Matic

The best Nemanja since Vidic, Matic has won a lot of trophies over his career. When he was first signed from Chelsea by Man United on the 31st of July 2017 for £40 million, he had already won the incredibly prestigious Slovak Cup with Kosice, before winning two Premier League titles, an FA Cup and a League Cup during his two stints at Chelsea as well as a Primeira Liga and a Taca de Liga with Benfica. At United, he has won...nothing. In fact, if you discount his season-long loan at Vitesse, this is so far the only club in which Matic hasn't won anything.

Donny van de Beek

For Ajax, DvdB won an Eredivisie title, a Dutch Cup and a Johan Cruyff Shield. He also reached a Nations League final with the Netherlands. Time will tell if he can add to his trophy cabinet at Manchester United.

Scott McTominay

McSauce came through the youth ranks, made his debut at the end of the 2016-17 season and has yet to win anything.

Andreas Pereira

Pereira made his senior debut in the 2015-16 season before being loaned to Granada, Valencia and now Lazio. He has yet to win anything at senior level.

Edinson Cavani

The signing of Cavani has divided opinion. Some feel that he'll be the next Bastian Schweinsteiger or Radamel Falcao, while others feel that he could be the next Zlatan Ibrahimovic. However, one thing that can't be denied is his massive trophy cabinet; whether a player who has achieved as much as he has is precisely what United needs is another matter.
The Uruguayan started his career by winning the Primera División with his boyhood club Danubio before winning a Coppa Italia with Napoli. However, it was at PSG where he really shone, winning six Ligue 1 titles, the Coupe de France four times, the Coupe de la Ligue five times and the Trophée des Champions four times. Yes, it's PSG and yes, he hasn't won any continental competitions, but he's still a proven winner. Add in the 2011 Copa América (which he won with Uruguay) and I don't think Man United have a more decorated player in their squad at the moment. The real question is whether Cavani is past it or whether he still possesses the class that he had in his prime.

Anthony Martial

On the 1st of September 2015, Manchester United famously threw £50 million down the drain to sign a 19-year-old Anthony Martial (who came from France) from AS Monaco. The English press declared that he had no chance; he went on to score 71 goals in 225 competitive games for United.
It should be said that Martial hadn't won anything when we signed him, but considering his age, that's forgivable. He has since won the FA Cup, the League Cup, the Community Shield and the Europa League, but still no Ballon d'Or. As for the French national team, Martial came close to winning Euro 2016 but he (and France) fell at the final hurdle, while he wasn't included in the squad for the 2018 World Cup.

Dr. Marcus Rashford MBE

The future Prime Minister and part-time Manchester United forward came through the academy ranks before making his debut under Louis van Gaal following an injury to Martial. Rashford during his time at Man United has won an FA Cup, a League Cup, a Community Shield, a Europa League, a Member of the Order of the British Empire and an honorary doctorate from the University of Manchester.

Mason Greenwood

The best finisher at the club since Robin van Persie, Greenwood also came through the academy ranks. Given his young age and lack of experience, he of course hasn't won anything yet.

Daniel James

The Welsh winger was Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's first signing as manager, being bought from Swansea City on the 6th of June 2019 for £15 million. Given his previous club (Swansea) and his national team (Wales), it's no surprise that he's yet to win anything.

Odion Ighalo

Unlike the rest of the players here, Ighalo was loaned to us in January 2020 from Shanghai Greenland Shenhua. He may won just the one trophy, but when that trophy is none other than the coveted Chinese FA Cup, you can already tell that he's a natural born winner (Chinese FA Cup-winning centre-forward, you'll never sing that!). He also came second place in the Championship with Watford, but second place is first place for losers, so that doesn't really matter.

Jadon Sancho

Bought on deadline day for £120 million, Sancho has won the DFL-Supercup with Borussia Dortmund.
...screw Ed Woodward. At least we have Facundo Pellistri, eh?


This whole thing is turning into a bit of a mess, so let's standardise it with some numerical values. Note that these are just arbitrary numbers that I've assigned for comparison purposes, so don't take them as gospel.

World Cup, confederation cup (e.g. Euros), Champions League, Copa Libertadores = 20 points
Top-flight title in 'Big Five' leagues = 16 points
Europa League, national cup competition in 'Big Five' leagues = 10 points
UEFA Nations League = 6 points
Other top-flight title = 5 points
Other national cup competition = 3 points
Other cup (e.g. league cups, super cups) = 1 point

With this system, here are all the current Man United players (min. 50 senior appearances) ranked by trophy haul.

Cavani: 180
Pogba: 117
Mata: 112
Matic: 52
De Gea: 51
Rojo: 47
Jones: 38
Fred: 33
Bailly: 32
Lindelof: 28
Romero: 28
Telles: 27
Lingard: 22
Martial: 22
Rashford: 22
Fosu-Mensah: 20
Fernandes: 11
Shaw: 11
Van de Beek: 9
Dalot: 5
Ighalo: 3
Maguire: 1
Tuanzebe: 1
Grant: 0
Greenwood: 0
Henderson: 0
James: 0
McTominay: 0
Pereira (both of them): 0
Wan-Bissaka: 0

Obviously, trophies aren't everything (I am not seriously suggesting that Phil Jones has a stronger mentality than Bruno Fernandes) but this might be interesting. For reference, here's the list for all of Man United's players who played in at least five league games in the 2012-13 season (our last league title) up to and including the beginning of that season (so trophies won after the start of the 2012-13 season, including the league title, aren't counted).

Ryan Giggs: 291\*
Paul Scholes: 244*
Rio Ferdinand: 113*+
Anderson: 111*
Nemanja Vidic: 108*
Michael Carrick: 98*+
Patrice Evra: 97*
Wayne Rooney: 95*
Nani: 83*
Shinji Kagawa: 62
Jonny Evans: 44*^
Chicharito: 42
Rafael: 41*
Antonio Valencia: 23
Robin van Persie: 21
Chris Smalling: 18
David de Gea: 12
Danny Welbeck: 9*
Anders Lindegaard: 4
Tom Cleverley: 2
Ashley Young: 2
Phil Jones: 1

*Player won the Club World Cup, which I've assigned 6 points
+Player won the Intertoto Cup, which I've assigned 3 points
^Player won the second division of a 'Big Five' league, which I've assigned 3 points

OK, firstly, jeez, calm down, Giggsy. Secondly, LOL at Anderson being ahead of Vidic, Carrick, Ferdinand, Evra and Rooney. Thirdly, that 2012-13 squad contained 10 players who had a score greater than 52 at the time (and of course, several of them saw a jump after the title win). The current squad has 3. Obviously, it's much easier when you've been winning titles left, right and centre for the past twenty years, but make no mistake: Fergie drilled his teams to win at all costs.
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Is This What You Wanted?: Steph v. Monta Edition

Hey everyone, this is an idea that I had brewing for a bit and finally decided to pull the trigger on. Basically, I'm going to look back on some trades that I'm interested in from NBA history, trades that I believe had a significant impact on the future of the NBA. Because this is the first one I'm going to start pretty easy with the Monta Ellis trade, feedback is appreciated, along with any trades you'd like to see.

The Trade

On March 13, 2012 the Golden State Warriors traded Monta Eliis, Ekpe Udoh, and Kwame Brown to the Milwaukee bucks for Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson.

The Background

The Curry-Ellis Warriors were not a good team. They could be flashy at times and could trick anyone into thinking they were on any given night, but they were not a good team. The undersized backcourt between the two was not working, and the Warriors needed to make a decision. Curry was continuously injured that season and Ellis seemed more and more discontent. Ellis had been thrown in trade discussions almost the moment Curry was drafted, but for die hard Warriors fans that seemed like the worst case scenario.
Ellis was the last remaining remnant of the 2007 We Believe Team, the most relevant the team had been in years, and the way the FO dismantled them so quickly left many fans angry. Many people didn't want to give up Ellis to bet their future on a guy with toothpicks for ankles. It was widely believed that Ellis was the better player, even if he was inefficient, and that unless the Warriors could grab a star the trade would always be a net loss.

The Reaction

As we know, many Warriors fans hated this trade. Giving up their franchise star for a injury prone big and the player that forced himself out only a few years ago didn't seem very equal. The Warriors would be betting their future on two injury prone players, but around the league many people saw it a different way. Lots of people thought that the Warriors won this trade, Bogut was one of the top defensive centers in the league, Curry had gobs of potential, Klay was a young sharp with defensive potential, and they had a top 7 protected pick to work with.
The biggest problems fans around the league had was not the dealing of Ellis, but the health of this Warriors team. Much like the 2019 finals, people considered this team more an infirmary than a squad. In fact, it was almost exclusively Warriors fans that thought that dealing Ellis was a bad idea. And even then, there was already a sect of Warriors fans that were keen on trying trade ideas for Ellis.
Despite the booing crowds at Oracle, I'd say that it was almost a 65-35 league wide consensus that the Warriors made the right decision. Even back then many saw Ellis as an inefficient chucker who simply wasn't fit to lead a team.

Is This What You Wanted?

8 years down the line and here's where we stand. Following the trade Ellis's averages for the rest of his career(5 Seasons) were:

Pts Ast Rb Fg% 3p% eFG%
16.0 4.8 3.2 .435 .302 .468
Curry averages so far have been:

Pts Ast Rb Fg% 3p% eFG%
25.6 6.9 4.7 .477 .434 .590
While also collecting 2 MVP awards and 3 Championships with multiple All-NBA and All-Star nods, all accolades Ellis would never accomplish.
In 2010 on July 15th the Lacob-Guber group would purchase the Golden State Warriors for $450 Million at former owner Chris Cohan son's lacrosse tournament. 8 years later in 2020, due to Curry and the Warriors success they have an estimated worth of 4.3 Billion dollars. This ownership group early on had to make a big decision, Curry or Ellis, and they chose Curry. Many in the organization were hurt, many fans were hurt, even more fans were doubtful the team would ever amount to anything.
But 8 years down the line with 2MVPS, a DPOY, the greatest shooting backcourt of all-time, one of the greatest teams of all-time, and 3 championships all because of the trust put in one man's fragile baby ankles. If you asked the Golden State Warriors front office,"Is this what you wanted?". Well, I believe it'd be a resounding yes.

Thank you once again for reading this, criticism is appreciated. I'd like to do some more controversial trades in the future, along with some more in-depth player analysis, but this was more proof of concept than anything. Give me suggestions on what you think a good trade would be!
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2020 Darlington Throwback Paint Scheme Guide (triple-series mega album)

>>ALBUM LINK<< (HUGE album with all 3 series in it, if there's a way for me to link the beginning of each series please let me know!!!)
NOTICE If you're using Reddit is Fun, click the link and view the album in a browser or the Imgur app.
Once again, it's my favorite time of the year (minus Daytona and the finale of course), Darlington's throwback weekend! Of course, I'm making an album for ALL the throwback paint schemes again, as it's something I'm uber passionate about doing in terms of graphic design. However, this year I decided to go all out 1000% and do each series again. With the Truck Series being a part of the weekend this time, that added a lot to the workload, and combined with my occasional laziness and the fact that most of these were revealed so late, I had a lot of crunch towards the end. I kinda wrecked my left hand with all of the images I had to make the past few days so some of these and the post on here came really late and I didn't get to update the template too much. These are hella repetitive to make and sometimes researching and creating elements on my own (as is making the lists for these posts) is really tiring, even though it is fun to do, and I want to make every single image consistent with the template and as visually appealing/coherent as possible, cleaning up messy/low quality logos, etc. And also I didn't expect there to be many considering the pandemic but I'm glad we ended up getting a lot as usual!
However, I finished the Xfinity ones before their race, and will strive to do the same for the other series before their respective races, cause I'm passionate about getting to show off every single one of these teams' throwback rides. This is undoubtedly my most ambitious one yet (57 made as of this typing, there's 68 in total), and I'm super proud of it. I hope you all enjoy following along with the throwbacks for another year, and as always, please offer critique or comments if you have any (especially on this list cause it's super big!).
Before we begin, major thanks to my typical sources I get my numbers and backgrounds from (that I don't recreate myself): BigEvil Racing and diecastcharv, as well as my good friend mc151 and the dudes in the Discord server for getting a lot of the new throwbacks to me quickly and saving me from researching the sources for them.
A NASCAR logo (only visible on desktop) signifies a playoffs driver in the Cup race, as this is the first Cup playoff race at Darlington since the playoffs' original year in 2004.
NASCAR Cup Series Playoffs - Cookout Southern 500 - Sunday, September 6, 2020 @ 6 PM ET on NBCSN
No. Driver Make Sponsor Inspiration
00 Quin Houff Chevrolet Permatex Milt Marion 1936 (Daytona Beach course inaugural winner; engine built only with Permatex parts)
2 Brad Keselowski (Playoffs) Ford Discount Tire Brad Keselowski — 2010 Discount Tire (Brad's first DT scheme; both of their first NASCAR championship)
3 Austin Dillon (Playoffs) Chevrolet American Ethanol Junior Johnson — 1962-64 Holly Farms
4 Kevin Harvick(Playoffs) Ford Busch Beer Early 2000s Busch cans; Harvick's 2001 & '06 Busch Series (Xfinity) championships
6 Ryan Newman Ford Oscar Mayer Ryan Newman — 1999 USAC Silver Crown Series car (championship winner)
7 Josh Bilicki Chevrolet Insurance King Tom Baldwin Sr. — Circa 80s? Modified car (Father of Josh's team's owner)
8 Tyler Reddick Chevy CAT Power Jeff Burton —1995 Raybestos
9 Chase Elliott (Playoffs) Chevrolet NAPA Auto Parts Jimmie Johnson — 2009 Lowe's (4th championship)
10 Aric Almirola (Playoffs) Ford GoBowling.com Fireball Roberts — 1957 Ford
11 Denny Hamlin (Playoffs) Toyota FedEx 1973 — Federal Express starts business, original name/vehicle livery and Cale Yarborough rookie season number font 11
12 Ryan Blaney (Playoffs) Ford Maytag/Menards Paul Menard — 2003 Menards (Menards' early 2000's racing livery; first win for him and owner Andy Petree)
13 Ty Dillon Chevy Geico Tood Bodine — 2010 Germain (2010 Truck Series championship win)
14 Clint Bowyer (Playoffs) Ford Peak Antifreeze Kyle Petty — 1990 Peak
15 Brennan Poole Chevy Remember Everyone Deployed Ricky Rudd — 1985-86 Motorcraft
18 Kyle Busch (Playoffs) Toyota M&M's Elliott Sadler — 2004 M&M's (M&M's' first NASCAR win)
19 Martin Truex Jr. (Playoffs) Toyota Bass Pro Shops Hank Parker Jr. — 2003 Bass Pro Shops (BPS' first primary NASCAR sponsor race [Xfinity @ Atlanta])
20 Erik Jones Toyota Sport Clips Haircuts Tony Stewart — 2005 Home Depot/Lithium-Ion
21 Matt DiBenedetto (Playoffs) Ford Ford Motorcraft Tiny Lund — 1963 English Motors (Subbed for Marvin Panch for the Daytona 500 and won)
22 Joey Logano (Playoffs) Ford Pennzoil/Shell Bobby Allison — 1985-87 Miller
24 William Byron (Playoffs) Chevrolet Liberty University Jimmie Johnson — 2013 Lowe's Patriotic (All-Star win)
27 J.J. Yeley Ford Jacob Companies Kenny Irwin — 1997 Nerf/Winner's Circle (attempted for Rockingham but DNQ'd)
38 John Hunter Nemechek Ford Citgard Elliott Sadler — 1999 Citgo
41 Cole Custer (Playoffs) Ford HaasTooling.com Curtis Turner — 1965 Harvest-Ford (1956 Southern 500 winner)
43 Bubba Wallace Chevrolet Cash App Richard Petty — 1986 STP (Driving D.K. Ulrich's green #6 car after his own crashed in practice)
48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Ally Financial Richard Petty — 1974-77 STP/Dale Earnhardt — 1988-01 GM Goodwrench (iconic paint schemes of Jimmie's fellow two 7x champions in NASCAR)
53 James Davison Chevrolet Signing Day Sports Tom Sneva — 1983 Simoniz ('83 Daytona 500; NASCAR and IndyCar driver like Davison)
66 Timmy Hill Toyota Bass Pro Shops Skoal Bandit
77 Ross Chastain Chevrolet DirtyMo Media Dale Earnhardt Sr. — 1976 Hy Gain (Third Cup start)
88 Alex Bowman (Playoffs) Chevrolet Truck Hero Jimmie Johnson — 2006-08 Lowe's (1st, 2nd, & 3rd Cup championships)
95 Christopher Bell Toyota Rheem Christopher Bell — 2017 JBL (2017 Trucks Championship win)
96 Daniel Suárez Toyota Arris Daniel Suárez — 2015-16/2018 Arris (ARCA, Trucks, Xfinity, Cup; 2016 Xfinity Championship win)
NASCAR Xfinity Series - Sport Clips/VFW Help a Hero 200 - Saturday, September 5, 2020 @ 12:30 PM ET on NBC
No. Driver Make Sponsor Inspiration
0 Jeffrey Earnhardt Chevrolet KSDT CPA Earnhardt family running the gold Bass Pro Shops paint scheme (Dale Sr. 1998 All-Star, Kerry 2004)
02 Brett Moffitt Chevrolet Knockaround Sunglasses Mike Stefanik — 1996-98 Burnhan Boilers (1997 & '98 Busch North Series championships)
08 Joe Graf Jr. Chevrolet Bucked Up Energy Aric Almirola/Elliott Sadler — 2010-11 GT Vodka (Xfinity/Trucks)
1 Michael Annett Chevrolet Oreo/Dale Jr. HoF Class of 2021 Dale Earnhardt Jr. — 2002 Oreo/Ritz (Ran 2002 Daytona Xfinity season opener and won)
6 Ryan Vargas Chevrolet Cranio Care Bears Jimmie Johnson — 2001 Excedrin (First NASCAR win- Chicgoland Xfinity race)
7 Justin Allgaier Chevrolet Brandt/JR Motorsports/Dale Jr. HoF Class of 2021 Dale Earnhardt Jr. — 2003 JR Motorsports (Ran 2003 summer Daytona Xfinity race and won)
8 Daniel Hemric Chevrolet Poppy Bank/ #CheckIt4Andretti/ Dale Jr. HoF Class of 2021 John Andretti — 1995-96 Kmart/Little Caesar's
13 Chad Finchum Toyota CrashClaimsR.US Jerry Nadeau — 1998 First Plus Loans (Part-owned by Dan Marino; featured Miami Dolphins colors)
15 Colby Howard Chevrolet Hope Foundation Buddy Howard race car (Colby's grandfather)
19 Brandon Jones Toyota Toyota Robert Huffman — 2000-03 White House Apple Juice (Goody's Dash Series; Toyota's first NASCAR Championship [2003])
20 Harrison Burton Toyota Dex Imaging Jeff Burton — 2001-02 Gain (Xfinity)
21 Anthony Alfredo Chevrolet Blue Otter Polarized Sunglasses Kevin Harvick/Jeff Burton — 2006 Coast Guard (2006 Xfinity Championship win [Harvick])
36 Alex Labbe Chevrolet DGM Racing Mario Gosselin — Mid '90s-1998 Jackaroo (Multiple series such as Hooters Cup; 1997 Hooters Cup Championship win)
44 Anthony Alfredo Chevrolet GilreathFarms.com Darrell Waltrip — 1985-86 Budweiser
47 Kyle Weatherman Chevrolet K9/#BacktheBlue Andy Griffith Show Ford (1960-68) — Ford Fairlane police car
51 Jeremy Clements Chevrolet Repairables.com SC NASCAR champions (Clements' home state) (Buddy BakeDavid Pearson/Cale Yarborough/Sam Ard/Larry Pearson; championships from 1956-87)
54 Denny Hamlin Toyota Sport Clips Haircuts Cale Yarborough — 1983-87 Hardee's
66 Stephen Leicht Toyota CrashClaimsR.US Carl Long — 2002 Mansion Motorsports
68 Brandown Brown Chevrolet Coastal Carolina Chanticleers Janet Guthrie — 1976-77 Kelly Girl (First start for a woman in the Daytona 500, 1977)
92 Josh Williams Chevrolet DGM Racing Megan Gosselin — 2012 Mini Stock car "Grasshopper"(Championship winner)
93 Myatt Snider Chevrolet Louisiana Hot Sauce Jimmie Lewallen — Early 1950's race car (Cup team owned by Snider's grandfather)
98 Cole Custer Ford HighPoint.com Tony Stewart — 2011 Mobil 1 (2011 Cup Championshp win)
NASCAR Gander RV & Outdoors Series - South Carolina Education Lottery 200 - Sunday, September 6, 2020 @ 2:00 PM ET on FS1
No. Driver Make Sponsor Inspiration
00 Josh Reaume Chevrolet Levrack Rusty Wallace — 1991-95 Miller Genuine Draft 44
2 Sheldon Creed Chevrolet Chevrolet Jimmie Johnson — 1990's Chevrolet trophy truck
18 Christian Eckes Toyota Safelite Pre-1983 Safelite truck design (Prominently white)
19 Derek Kraus Toyota NAPA Ron Hornaday — 1996-98 NAPA (1996 & '98 Trucks Championships winner; NAPA's first NASCAR championships)
20 Spencer Boyd Chevy Freedom Warranty Tood Bodine — 2010 Germain (2010 Truck Series championship win)
21 Zane Smith Chevrolet Michael Roberts Construction David Pearson — 1973-79 Purolator
23 Brett Moffitt Chevrolet GMS Fabicration Davey Allison — 1985 Miller (Xfinity/Arca)
24 Greg Biffle Chevrolet GMS Racing Ricky Hendrick — 1985 Miller (ARCA/Trucks/Xfinity)
26 Tyler Ankrum Chevrolet Liuna! Fred Lorenzen — 1966 Holly Farms "Banana" (Galaxie modified by Junior Johnson to circumvent Ford opting out of NASCAR)
33 Bryant Barnhill Toyota Bell & Bell Buick/GMC Chad McCumbee 2007 Nortrax (ARCA)
41 Tyler Ankrum Chevrolet Magnum Contracting Inc. Fred Lorenzen — 1952 Hudson car
44 Bayley Currey Chevrolet Hardcore Fish and Game Cale Yarborough — 1983-87 Hardee's
45 Ty Majeski Chevrolet Plan B Sales Brewster Baker — 1982 Chevy Camaro dirt racing car (Fictional drivescheme from Six Pack [1982])
52 Stewart Friesen Toyota Halmar Stan Friesen (Stewart's grandfather)
56 Timmy Hill Chevrolet Unsponsored Jerry Hill — 2003 Truck Series (Timmy's father)
68 Clay Greenfield Toyota Rackley Roofing Bobby Hamilton — 1990-93 Country Time
EDIT: I was able to finish all 3 series before each respective race thank goodness, my hands are killing me but it was all worth it to finish the biggest one of these yet, especially since it's all three series. I even made a pretty cover image for it, and here it is with just the background film reel photos. I'll be posting my folder screencaps and other stuff after the Cup race, right now I need a good long break and a nice race to watch. Enjoy following along, y'all!
EDIT 2: Afternoon y'all, if anyone's visiting this still after the race or some time in the future, this'll be my final edit on this post. Like I promised, here's once again a panoramic screenshot of this post to preserve how this subreddit and throwback number flairs looked at this point in time, and here's the folders of for the logo images, number images, and throwback Paint.NET files. Hope y'all enjoyed my throwback images this year, and you can bet your ass I'll be back once again for the preseason paint scheme previews in January and throwbacks in 2021!!!
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Requiem for a Race, lap 1: The Dipsea Race

Hey folks — chatting with a number of the regulars here, it became apparent that we all had Big Races and Big Plans that all got blown away by Big Problems in the world over the last few months. I decided to start a little series here on the sub, where folks can tell us about the race that they were hoping to do — what makes it so special? — how they were training for it before they got the news, how their training was modified, and what they decided to do instead.
If you’re interested in contributing, please let me know! I’m trying to schedule these out a bit — they’ll all be posted by the person who actually does the writeup, I’m not gonna karma-farm this whole thing, the point is to just to have more conversations here — but I’m not the boss of you and if you want to write yours up and post it right away it’s not like I’m going to stop you! That said, I’ll keep working with anyone who wants to contribute to keep the series going as long as possible. Look for them on Mondays, because who couldn’t use a distraction at the start of the work week?
This week, I’m going to talk about my favorite race: The Dipsea.

The Dipsea Race

People who have been around this sub in its various incarnations for a while are probably aware of my love for The Dipsea. Run every June, it is a truly unique race: Overly simplified, it’s an approximately seven-mile trail run from downtown Mill Valley, California to the Pacific Ocean at Stinson Beach. But that leaves out the history of the race, and the handicapping, and the shortcuts, and all of the crazy stories that have grown up over the years around the race and its runners.
Let’s start with the basics: If you look at a map and elevation profile of the trail, you’ll see that it starts and ends near sea level and crosses over two major ridges along the way. It turns out that in 1904, a couple of runners from San Francisco were vacationing in Stinson Beach and took a day-trip to Mill Valley — which had only recently become possible thanks to a new rail line — and made a bet as to who could get back to their inn on the beach, on foot, the fastest. They raced (the winner is still in dispute to this day), and a tradition was born. The next year in 1905, the “Dipsea Indians” (as they named their group, an offshoot of the San Francisco Olympic Club) organized the first official Dipsea Race and the rest has been history.

The Handicaps

Early on, race organizers decided that they wanted to give anyone a shot at winning the race. Every runner was given an individual “handicap time”, and those times were even published in the local newspaper before the race. As the field grew, it became impractical to know the abilities of each individual entrant and the race moved to a handicapping system based off of age and gender.
Only men aged 19-30 (the “fastest” demographic, or “scratch” runners) start at the official start time. Everyone else gets a head start, with the slowest groups starting 25 minutes before the scratch runners. Under this system, an 8-year-old girl won in 2010 and a 72-year-old man won in 2012. In any given year, you’ll find 60-somethings and 20-somethings duking it out over the last mile of the course.
Your official time for the race is based off the start time for the scratch runners — so if you run the course in an hour, but you start ten minutes early, you have an official time of 50 minutes.

The Stairs

The race starts in downtown Mill Valley but less than a mile up the road you reach the base of the first of three sets of stairs, about 685 total steps, that have you climbing out of Mill Valley. On any given day you’ll find all sorts of folks hiking or running up or down (or up and down) these stairs, but on race day this is the first bottleneck you’re likely to hit. Bottlenecks and choke points on the route are a recurring problem that needs to be avoided, outrun, or simply accepted -- hey, sub-threshold rest! -- but they're also where the speedsters will get vocal with cries of "Stay to the right!" and "Passing on the left!"
Later on in the race, runners have to contend with the Steep Ravine steps, this time barreling down steep, twisty, unevenly-placed railroad-tie steps as they simultaneously try to avoid twisting an ankle and diving into the ravine. Plenty of injuries occur on these steps each year, but faster (and more confident) runners are able to make up tons of time by taking these steps two-, three-, or even four-at-a-time in spots.

The Shortcuts

For years after its inception, Dipsea was an “open course” race — it was up to racers to determine their best route to Stinson Beach, with the consensus route along the Dipsea Trail serving as a suggestion rather than a mandate. In the 1970s, restrictions started to be begrudgingly added, and now there are essentially three main shortcuts:
This isn’t to say that this is the extent of the short-cutting going on, it’s just that most of the rest of the shortcuts are closely-guarded secrets. If a shortcut has a significant impact on the race results — like one did in 1983, when Ron Rahmer had a strong finish after pioneering a novel route between Mill Valley and Steep Ravine — the new routes are typically quickly regulated out of existence.


I saved this for last, because it’s a pain. Intentionally.
The race itself is limited to 1500 athletes, and the organizers are not shy about wanting to preserve the “local” feel of this historic race. There are a few ways to get in:
If you’re in the last group, the race is on once Dipsea posts the year’s application to their website. They take applicants into the race on a first-come, first-served basis, as determined by when the applications arrive in their post office box at the Mill Valley post office. For a long time local runners have hand-delivered applications to mailing centers to try to earn their spot – first at the Mill Valley Post Office, later to the local USPS sorting center, where I found myself on a lunch break on Application Day in 2017 handing in my first Dipsea registration.

My 2020 plan

The Dipsea always comes at something of an odd time in my race calendar, but it remains one of my A-races every year. I’m a triathlete by nature, but trail running has always been one of my endurance-sport loves; in February I was getting out on dirt and hills at least once a week to prepare.
The plan was to stick to trails at least twice a month, and try to get at least 600 feet in each of those runs. As I got closer to the race, I was going to spend more time on hill sprints and mixing in some stair climbs. I also wanted to get out to Stinson Beach and spend some time working the Steep Ravine descent - knowing exactly how to place my foot each step of the way down that section of trail is one of my long-term goals. It’s a hefty drive for me, though (90-120 minutes each way, depending on traffic), so I hadn’t actually planned it out completely up to that point.
I had vague plans for a number of specific workouts for Dipsea:
This was the general shape of the plan that I came up with during my offseason; these workouts would have to find their way into a schedule that was also trying to prep me for a number of important multisport races along the way. I work with a coach, and we spent more than a little time discussing these goals and how to try to prioritize and achieve all of them. I'd be curious to hear if anyone has good recs for steep trail workouts.
On March 13th, the race organization announced that they’d be canceling the race (for the first time since 1945.) It was the first of my major races for the summer to be canceled, but it wasn’t the last. Right now, I’m pinning my hopes on the rescheduled Duathlon National Championships to still take place in October, but otherwise I’m just looking forward to next year.

What’s next

I’m waiting to see what happens with Du Nats in October, and once the results there are definitive (either the race gets canceled, or I actually participate in it) I’m going to look again at what I want to do in February through June of next year for this race. My entry for this year is supposed to carry over to next year, so I hope to toe the line at the Mill Valley Depot on June 13, 2021.


A couple of notes as I wrap this all up:
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